COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

Not having in person gatherings is not the same as shutting it down to most people. If that's what you meant it's just semantics then anyways. Yes people think it is something that can be done remotely if other similar things are restricted to that level in said area.

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Like grocery shopping?

How about liquor stores? How about dispensaries?

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Like grocery shopping?

How about liquor stores? How about dispensaries?

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Don't bring dispensaries into this.



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Originally Posted by nastynice

Don't bring dispensaries into this.



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Sorry man. If people can buy alcohol and flower, they sure as hell should be able to praise the Lord.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

What makes it essential? The same opinion which declares any other entity essential. Meaning this is all a matter of opinion.

What risk factors are involved at my local mosque? All traffic is directed in one direction, everyone wears as mask, everyone stands 6 ft apart and holds their belongings on them so as not to congregate when gathering them later. About 150 people do this once a week. Whats the risk factor here?

The issue is, like most of psd, you don't fully grip science and what it is, so you link an article and start making arguments off it which are much much weaker than you realize. I fully understand science, I understand it forward, backward, and upside down. Its rough watching you guys think you know what you're talking about, lol.

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Your Mosque is one example, there are many other places of worship that might be different in NY. Depending how strict and other activities done that sounds pretty low risk to me. I think a lot of businesses followed guidelines and now face restrictions because others didn't, that isn't a church specific argument and the policy in place will treat industries the same (like gyms as we covered).

Lol ya I normally base on how well someone knows something based on if they tell me they do while still providing no evidence. Just like the other topic you were an expert on. I imagine when you can't understand whats going on it must be pretty rough.

This is what happens when you ask for actual reasoning on this issue though. You just claiming you "understand science forward backward and upside down" lol. I can imagine its rough with how much you struggle following whats going on.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Like grocery shopping?

How about liquor stores? How about dispensaries?

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Are you asking my opinion on if they should be allowed? Or if they would be essential in the order? In the order, essential I believe. Personally...

Grocery shopping is essential imo so yes still allowed. I think it should be online for those that can and in person should still have restrictions on capacity/masks/distancing.

The other two I would say less so on essential but online/pick up (so not standing in a store browsing, order ahead) seems reasonable.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Sorry man. If people can buy alcohol and flower, they sure as hell should be able to praise the Lord.

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No one is saying you can't praise the Lord, go ahead and do all 3.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

Your Mosque is one example, there are many other places of worship that might be different in NY. Depending how strict and other activities done that sounds pretty low risk to me. I think a lot of businesses followed guidelines and now face restrictions because others didn't, that isn't a church specific argument and the policy in place will treat industries the same (like gyms as we covered).

Lol ya I normally base on how well someone knows something based on if they tell me they do while still providing no evidence. Just like the other topic you were an expert on. I imagine when you can't understand whats going on it must be pretty rough.

This is what happens when you ask for actual reasoning on this issue though. You just claiming you "understand science forward backward and upside down" lol. I can imagine its rough with how much you struggle following whats going on.

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Sure, and any business which is unnecessarily crippled due to other businesses not operating properly, I will bat for. I'm just doing for churches what I would do across the board.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Sure, and any business which is unnecessarily crippled due to other businesses not operating properly, I will bat for. I'm just doing for churches what I would do across the board.

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There are tons of businesses across the country crippled with extra restrictions, go ahead start arguing for each one in the same way. This is an across the board thing, you are focused on how it affects religion specifically and that's what the case is about. You even made it about that multiple times with accusations at others out of no where it seems to have clouded your judgement some.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

There are tons of businesses across the country crippled with extra restrictions, go ahead start arguing for each one in the same way. This is an across the board thing, you are focused on how it affects religion specifically and that's what the case is about. You even made it about that multiple times with accusations at others out of no where it seems to have clouded your judgement some.

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Well.if we specifically talk about other businesses i will argue for them. Right now we were talking about churches and people arguing about them not needing to be open. That's a very ignorant stance.

And my initial accusation still stands, church is under the microscope because it fits within the atheist agenda. [emoji846]

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

There are tons of businesses across the country crippled with extra restrictions, go ahead start arguing for each one in the same way. This is an across the board thing, you are focused on how it affects religion specifically and that's what the case is about. You even made it about that multiple times with accusations at others out of no where it seems to have clouded your judgement some.

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It's always a victim mentality. Oh no the slightest impact to me and "mah freedumz". It's why we are so far behind the rest of the world in dealing with the pandemic.

Didn't intend for this to be at the top of my Twitter feed, but here we are...

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Well.if we specifically talk about other businesses i will argue for them. Right now we were talking about churches and people arguing about them not needing to be open. That's a very ignorant stance.

And my initial accusation still stands, church is under the microscope because it fits within the atheist agenda. [emoji846]

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Church is under the microscope because of the challenge/scotus ruling lol. That’s the topic, them fighting against restrictions placed on them like other non essential business as being singled out (despite it being based on that label).

You are still focused on and bringing up an atheist agenda. Seems like religion matters to you as stated.


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Originally Posted by mngopher35

Church is under the microscope because of the challenge/scotus ruling lol. That’s the topic, them fighting against restrictions placed on them like other non essential business as being singled out (despite it being based on that label).

You are still focused on and bringing up an atheist agenda. Seems like religion matters to you as stated.


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In general religion matters to me, yes. As far as covid response, it doesn't.

They are right to seek essential status because as you explained they are clearly being regulated beyond necessity. If seeking essential status allows them to operate safely then I support that.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

It's always a victim mentality. Oh no the slightest impact to me and "mah freedumz". It's why we are so far behind the rest of the world in dealing with the pandemic.

Didn't intend for this to be at the top of my Twitter feed, but here we are...

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Notice she said she is willing to die for her religion. It is clearly more essential to her than eating inside a restaurant. That should be one of the takeaways here. Why? To help illustrate how your opinion is arbitrary.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

In general religion matters to me, yes. As far as covid response, it doesn't.

They are right to seek essential status because as you explained they are clearly being regulated beyond necessity. If seeking essential status allows them to operate safely then I support that.

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You can support it.

There still hasn’t been valid reasoning given why. There’s been no reasoning proving they were singled out and should be exempt while all the other businesses and groups still have those restrictions.


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Originally Posted by nastynice

Notice she said she is willing to die for her religion. It is clearly more essential to her than eating inside a restaurant. That should be one of the takeaways here. Why? To help illustrate how your opinion is arbitrary.

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I don't care how willing she is to die for something. That's not a measure of something being essential. People can get food from places besides in a restaurant, but people do need food to live. They can go entirely without religious services and still survive.