COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I think the stimulus is supposed to make money available to businesses so they can expand their services. I mentioned somewhere that the local animal feed place is offering free same day delivery with no minimum. The grocery stores are all overwhelmed so they can't really solve that issue without putting more people at risk. Maybe if they did the filling of orders after hours.

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That would be a reasonable thing to do. Have a fleet of people working after hours to get orders ready so the focus can be on delivery during main hours.

Would probably just need portable large refrigeration units or cold trucks that would keep food from going bad.


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Originally Posted by DeW-Star

That would be a reasonable thing to do. Have a fleet of people working after hours to get orders ready so the focus can be on delivery during main hours.

Would probably just need portable large refrigeration units or cold trucks that would keep food from going bad.


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Some restaurants in rural areas around me (or even in Annapolis city where there really isn't a grocery store "downtown") are selling produce and meats by the pound or in packages (five lemons, two steaks, etc.). They are making pretty good money off of that. Any way to keep people employed and working is good in my book. Plenty of places could partner with super markets to deliver food, or even help them with their online ordering capacity.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Easy to say. Different when a lawyer sends you a letter.

I'm just saying. I ain't tryina side against young Scoots.

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And I'm saying the "avoiding lawsuits" is a ****** way to run things, and is very often an unnecessary over-reach. Like if you sued Coca-Cola for getting a bottle stuck up you because they made the shape too alluring, what would happen? It would get thrown out of court. The country put reasonable protections around the train tracks which kids ignored ... when a kid gets hurt ignoring the warnings the lawsuits usually don't even make it to court.

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Originally Posted by GasMan

A case against Fox will lose. It won’t stop someone from filing it and maybe even be granted standing.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Zmaster52

I’m not sure if anybody’s brought this up but closing down liquor stores would cause absolute pandemonium.

Imagine how many people are dependent on alcohol in this country and how many people use it as a coping mechanism. Close down liquor stores for a day and some people could go into withdrawal and possibly die as a result of not getting their fix. Or some guy might just be all chemically imbalanced due to his lack of alcohol that he does some stupid **** to get his fix.

Drugs are essential. Whether that’s tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, or marijuana, people quite literally need their fix or it will ruin them.

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I agree it would be crazy, but there are a lot of things people REALLY want that they usually do a lot of that they can't do right now. I knew some skaters who would go crazy if they were not allowed to skate. One of my daughters slowly loses her mind if she doesn't go somewhere, so I'm trying to find something we can do out of the house daily (usually a walk, but lately a drive to a walk).

We are not testing enough people. I really don’t understand how this isn’t the first, second and third priority.

https://apple.news/AWpg6dtyiToec3MXPFsbBjQ

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Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz

Yeah, as much as I don't do any of that stuff, you've got an extremely valid point. And now is not the time to force people to part with it by force.

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I was a little surprised there wasn't a run on booze too, but the stock never seemed to go down much.

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Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz

Some restaurants in rural areas around me (or even in Annapolis city where there really isn't a grocery store "downtown") are selling produce and meats by the pound or in packages (five lemons, two steaks, etc.). They are making pretty good money off of that. Any way to keep people employed and working is good in my book. Plenty of places could partner with super markets to deliver food, or even help them with their online ordering capacity.

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Careful, lines like "any way to keep people employed and working" makes you a denier.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I agree it would be crazy, but there are a lot of things people REALLY want that they usually do a lot of that they can't do right now. I knew some skaters who would go crazy if they were not allowed to skate. One of my daughters slowly loses her mind if she doesn't go somewhere, so I'm trying to find something we can do out of the house daily (usually a walk, but lately a drive to a walk).

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Physiological dependency is different from simply wanting to do something. These people quite literally need their alcohol and virtually nothing else will satisfy that craving - unless it’s another hard drug. I’m like your daughter, I’ve been losing my mind this entire quarantine because I can’t go somewhere but there are ways to work around that. Alcohol, not so much.

I get the comparison you’re making but a kid wanting to go to the skate park can always just stay home and play video games instead. An alcoholic will probably need some coffee, a cigarette, or something else to give them a fix.

Unless a kid who can’t go to the skate park only goes to the park because he has nothing else to do at home and dislikes his family then well, that’s an entirely different issue I’ve brought up earlier in this thread.

The mental health aspect is huge behind all of this. I’m one of those people who doesn’t really get along with their family and Ramadan is coming up. I’ve told stories here about how my family presses religion on me (despite me being very clearly atheist) and well, 30 days of quarantine and 30 days of forced fasting, don’t be surprised if I go insane by the time May is over lol.

Sorry for ranting but not all of us are lucky to be doing whatever we want with whoever we want during this quarantine. I get wanting to have access to all of these things, probably better than anyone.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

Careful, lines like "any way to keep people employed and working" makes you a denier.

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I firmly believe that there were some businesses that should've been given the opportunity to adapt and run their business according to CDC guidelines, but alas, people wouldn't listen to the original quarantine orders so the governors had to issue stay at home/shelter in place orders. But I'm not denying that we have huge steps to make before things are normal again.

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Originally Posted by GasMan

We are not testing enough people. I really don’t understand how this isn’t the first, second and third priority.

https://apple.news/AWpg6dtyiToec3MXPFsbBjQ

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I think it started with the CDC test (sourced from Germany I think) failing in their labs, then a bunch of regulations slowed down the response to that, and is still slowing it down some, now it's more that it's really hard to go from manufacturing 0 of anything to millions in a week or a month, add to that that a lot of supplies come from China so it's not just doing the last bit that is taking time people are having to ramp up production all the way down the line.

I think the fact that we have hundreds of people trying to make the tests may be slowing it down some too since all those tests need to be tested too, and different labs are coming up with different solutions so they can't just be rubber stamped.

Another factor is that the first successful tests were slow and were really painful for some people to take which lead to alternatives being looked for rather than just going with "Right, let's get 100 million of these!"

Another factor is probably the Chinese sourced tests failing by the millions causing the CDC/FDA to slow down and make the testing more thorough.

Another factor is that the global supply chain, including supplies from the US went to the places hit hard first (including China) which put us behind from the start.

Just in time manufacturing also means that worldwide we don't have much of anything in stock beyond what is normally ordered, and ramping up is very limited, and with a paper thin supply it empties out essentially instantly at the start.

It's kind of a cluster.

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Originally Posted by Zmaster52

Physiological dependency is different from simply wanting to do something. These people quite literally need their alcohol and virtually nothing else will satisfy that craving - unless it’s another hard drug. I’m like your daughter, I’ve been losing my mind this entire quarantine because I can’t go somewhere but there are ways to work around that. Alcohol, not so much.

I get the comparison you’re making but a kid wanting to go to the skate park can always just stay home and play video games instead. An alcoholic will probably need some coffee, a cigarette, or something else to give them a fix.

Unless a kid who can’t go to the skate park only goes to the park because he has nothing else to do at home and dislikes his family then well, that’s an entirely different issue I’ve brought up earlier in this thread.

The mental health aspect is huge behind all of this. I’m one of those people who doesn’t really get along with their family and Ramadan is coming up. I’ve told stories here about how my family presses religion on me (despite me being very clearly atheist) and well, 30 days of quarantine and 30 days of forced fasting, don’t be surprised if I go insane by the time May is over lol.

Sorry for ranting but not all of us are lucky to be doing whatever we want with whoever we want during this quarantine. I get wanting to have access to all of these things, probably better than anyone.

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True, but we're not limiting it to just people with dependency which would certainly be safer wouldn't it?

I've lived with someone through Ramadan and that was a pretty tense time do you have my sympathies.

This place is MADE for ranting :)

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Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz

I firmly believe that there were some businesses that should've been given the opportunity to adapt and run their business according to CDC guidelines, but alas, people wouldn't listen to the original quarantine orders so the governors had to issue stay at home/shelter in place orders. But I'm not denying that we have huge steps to make before things are normal again.

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I was joking ... hope you know.

Yeah, I think quite a few businesses could have continued with caution in place, but like pregnant women and wine ... it's good in small measures but REALLY bad in big measures so we just say NO, and women who are pregnant who drink in public get shouted down.

We live in a very shallow society.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

NYT is blaming Hannity for a death from the virus.


https://twitter.com/comfortablysmug/...117807621?s=21

Read that thread


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But no issue with Fox, all the dangerous misinformation shared on here and how they handled this huh

Cool find though. Totally equal.


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Originally Posted by Scoots

I think it started with the CDC test (sourced from Germany I think) failing in their labs, then a bunch of regulations slowed down the response to that, and is still slowing it down some, now it's more that it's really hard to go from manufacturing 0 of anything to millions in a week or a month, add to that that a lot of supplies come from China so it's not just doing the last bit that is taking time people are having to ramp up production all the way down the line.

I think the fact that we have hundreds of people trying to make the tests may be slowing it down some too since all those tests need to be tested too, and different labs are coming up with different solutions so they can't just be rubber stamped.

Another factor is that the first successful tests were slow and were really painful for some people to take which lead to alternatives being looked for rather than just going with "Right, let's get 100 million of these!"

Another factor is probably the Chinese sourced tests failing by the millions causing the CDC/FDA to slow down and make the testing more thorough.

Another factor is that the global supply chain, including supplies from the US went to the places hit hard first (including China) which put us behind from the start.

Just in time manufacturing also means that worldwide we don't have much of anything in stock beyond what is normally ordered, and ramping up is very limited, and with a paper thin supply it empties out essentially instantly at the start.

It's kind of a cluster.

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I get all of that. Why can’t we be better than that though? This is the least political part of this entire situation. More testing improves knowledge, saves lives and gets us off lock down. Any media member who has been fretting about the effect this is having on the economy should be yelling at the Whitehouse about why we haven’t increased testing at all in the last almost three weeks. And why aren’t we testing the right people? Until we can get testing to a reasonable level, we should stop verifying those who are recognizably sick and start testing the people who are likely to be spreading Covid, we continue to be reacting and not being proactive.