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dbroncsinmo
I want all of you that are telling me that voter ID is racist...why it's racist? So far I've been told it isn't about their intelligence or capabilities. What is making it so hard for black people to obtain an ID and why is it racist? You can't answer that question yet you keep saying it's racist.
So you either don't trust their intelligence or you don't trust their capabilities. Which is it, because I fully believe black people can obtain an ID as easily as a white person. Actually I have no doubt about that. You are the ones saying they can't.
Why can't black people obtain an ID? And don't give me the same situation where it would cause a white person not getting an ID. Because that completely nullifies the contention that it is racist.
The same situations can affect different people disproportionately. When people know those things and make it increasingly more difficult on those who are affected disproportionately, of course it can be racist. We know minorities tend to have higher poverty rates for example so..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...972_story.html
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But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.
Then you have exact match laws that are set up in states like Georgia.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...er-suppression
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80% of Georgia voters blocked by the state’s “exact match” voter registration law were people of color in 2018.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...the-polls.html
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Driver’s licenses are not the only accepted forms of identification, but minorities may face extra challenges in securing other legally valid IDs. Passports, military IDs, and other government-issued photo ID are generally accepted, and some states accept student ID cards from state universities. Texas accepts concealed-weapons licenses, but New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice points out that African-Americans are also less likely to have these concealed-gun permits. For voters who need to secure a valid ID, tracking down the necessary documents—such as a birth certificate and social security card—can take time and money, and the Brennan Center additionally reports that many voting centers are far away from minority voters and are rarely open. Minorities also move from state to state more frequently, which makes meeting varying requirements for documentation more difficult, and Hispanics often use different naming customs, which can make for additional confusion at the DMV or voting booth. Additionally, the Brennan Center suggests that minority voters are more likely to be carded at the polls.
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Sixteen of the 17 states in the study offer a free alternative to driver's licenses or state IDs for residents. But even these free IDs aren't really free: to get one, residents must prove their identity and usually have to pay to obtain a separate identification document. Getting a birth certificate, one of the most common kinds of documents applicants use, can cost as much as $25.
This table shows, for each of the 17 states that require a government-issued ID to vote, the cost for a driver's license, a non-driver's license ID, and whether or not the state issues free IDs for voting. Most free IDs, however, have hidden costs attached. (GAO)
These costs may not seem high, but they have an effect on voter turnout. GAO analyzed participation numbers from the 2008 and 2012 general elections in a sample of six states with varying laws and found that turnout decreased more in the two states with voter-ID laws—Kansas and Tennessee—than in the four without—Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, and Maine. The difference is attributable to the ID laws, the report says.
But not all voters are affected equally by these laws. In both Kansas and Tennessee, turnout was particularly low for voters between 18 and 23, African-American voters, and new voters—individuals who had registered within the year before an election
https://today.law.harvard.edu/wp-con...DJune20141.pdf
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What exactly is meant by a “free” ID in this context, and is a “free” voter ID really free? Drawing
on published articles obtained through the Internet, media, and legal testimony, this report calculates
the costs incurred by three different individuals who had to obtain “free” voter identification cards
in each of three states—Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Texas. Each state has enacted
controversial, and legally contested, voter identification laws in the past three years. Since data on
costs are not readily obtainable, this report develops a method for estimating the costs of a “free”
state-issued photo ID for voting based on the factors of time, travel and out-of-pocket expenses:4
1. Time costs involved in learning about photo voter ID requirements and how to meet them.
2. Costs of purchasing required birth, marriage, naturalization and other certificates. In some
instances, the calculations include legal fees needed to secure these documents.
3. Costs of travel expenses to the departments of vital records and motor vehicles, and the
potential cost of hiring a driver and/or vehicle.
4. Costs of travel time and waiting time at the agencies.
This report finds that the expenses for documentation, travel, and waiting time are
significant—especially for minority group and low-income voters—typically ranging from about
$75 to $175. When legal fees are added to these numbers, the costs range as high as $1,500.
Even when adjusted for inflation, these figures represent substantially greater costs than the
$1.50 poll tax outlawed by the 24th amendment in 1964.
When aggregating the overall costs to individuals for “free” IDs in all voter ID states, plus the costs to state government for providing “free” IDs, the expenses can accumulate into the $10s of millions per state and into
the $100s of millions nationwide.
