COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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09-01-2021, 12:12 AM
valade16

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Originally Posted by The20thK

So it’s 650,000 then?

650,000 lives lost and we can morally take away freedoms.

What other causes of death have taken 650,000 (that number is inflated cause we know excess mortality is not that high) lives in the last year and half?

I don't know what freedom we are taking away, you still have the freedom to not get the vaccine.

But yes, 650,000 dead Americans should trigger a small sacrifice (which getting the vaccine is) for the health and safety of the nation. If China invaded and 650,000 Americans were dead in the fighting and the US prohibited people from buying certain metals because they were needed for the war effort (as was done in WWII) would you say no because it takes away your freedom?

Actually the number is 657,000 as of today, but no surprise you're also a science denier when it comes to how many have died from covid. Lord knows what you think the number is, but chances are it's still very high.

As for what has killed as many people as covid in the last year and a half? Literally only heart disease and cancer. Covid has killed more people than alcohol, guns, suicide, you name it. By a lot.

In fact, when it gets to 675,000 (which unfortunately it will) it will have killed more Americans than even the Civil War (not by % of Americans but by overall number dead), which was previously the most American deaths from any specific event in history.

This is one of the biggest killers of Americans ever, so I think this whole attitude of "but having to get a vaccine could lead to something bad" is just absurd. Something bad is happening right now, and you're saying we shouldn't do what is necessary to stop it because of some hypothetical bad that may happen by doing so.
09-01-2021, 01:00 AM
natepro

And now another court has sided with a hospital over not giving ivermectin.

https://www.audacy.com/wbbm780/news/...ivermectin-use
09-01-2021, 01:39 AM
valade16

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Originally Posted by natepro

And now another court has sided with a hospital over not giving ivermectin.

https://www.audacy.com/wbbm780/news/...ivermectin-use

It’s funny they are so up in arms over being forced to get a vaccine while simultaneously demanding doctors be forced to give them invermectin :laugh2:
09-01-2021, 10:14 AM
Crovash

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Originally Posted by The20thK

So it’s 650,000 then?

650,000 lives lost and we can morally take away freedoms.

What other causes of death have taken 650,000 (that number is inflated cause we know excess mortality is not that high) lives in the last year and half?

Look, you obviously get confused when it comes to working with numbers (for example, it’s hard to fathom how 100,000 people die every year in this country as a result of DUI when the total number of vehicle deaths has never once exceeded 55,000 in any given year — see link below).

So, as far as I am concerned, your assessment based off the numbers here is (at best) suspect.

Add to it, as I have posted numerous times in this thread, IMHE studies of raw numbers of excess mortality in the US over the past few years suggests that Covid-related deaths are most likely 60 to 70% higher than reported. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ths-study.html

As for your freedoms, I trust you stop your vehicle at red lights, despite the obvious curtailing of your beloved freedoms that is involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_...n_U.S._by_year
09-01-2021, 10:43 AM
Scoots

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Originally Posted by The20thK

Just heard a report that over 100,000 people each year die of DUI related incidents.

We should outlaw alcohol. And if you disagree, then you don’t care about the people who are killed each year. You should be willing to give up your right to drink so that they may live.

See how that works? What would be the fallacy to this argument?

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700k-1.4M die a year from HIV, outlaw sex and blood.
09-01-2021, 10:49 AM
Scoots

Australia apparently realized they were going too far with some of their covid protections and are backing off on some.

I heard on the radio that the American Association of Pediatricians said that Delta was not more deadly to children but was considerably more virulent, but I haven't found corroboration on that.
09-01-2021, 02:21 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by Scoots

700k-1.4M die a year from HIV, outlaw sex and blood.

How many die of HIV in the US every year?
09-01-2021, 02:58 PM
catman

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Originally Posted by valade16

How many die of HIV in the US every year?

With current treatments available and in general use, not a whole lot. Covid will be in this category soon (or at least that is the hope). It is predicted to be an endemic disease, similar to influenza A & B and other viral diseases.
09-02-2021, 03:05 PM
Crovash

Interesting that the 7-day running average of deaths in the US stands at 1450 per day. Compare that to the height of the pandemic in February 2021, when the 7-day running average topped out at just over 3300 per day.

But keep in mind that back then, very few persons were vaccinated, whereas today 52% of Americans are fully vaccinated, including 82% of the highly-vulnerable, over-65 population.

What that boils down to, in light of the fact that very few of the fully vaccinated suffer death nowadays, is that for the unvaccinated, this plague is as just about virulent and as deadly (if not more so) as it ever has been in this country.
09-02-2021, 03:18 PM
Sick Of It All

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Interesting that the 7-day running average of deaths in the US stands at 1450 per day. Compare that to the height of the pandemic in February 2021, when the 7-day running average topped out at just over 3300 per day.

But keep in mind that back then, very few persons were vaccinated, whereas today 52% of Americans are fully vaccinated, including 82% of the highly-vulnerable, over-65 population.

What that boils down to, in light of the fact that very few of the fully vaccinated suffer death nowadays, is that for the unvaccinated, this plague is as just about virulent and as deadly (if not more so) as it ever has been in this country.

Specially among those vocal right wing talk show hosts.

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09-02-2021, 06:39 PM
metswon69

You keep showing them DeSantis. **** masks mandates for kids in school. Btw, who didn't know this was going to happen?
09-02-2021, 08:01 PM
ciaban2.0

Interesting piece from the Atlantic of all places on Masks and Schools.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...wnside/619952/
09-02-2021, 09:35 PM
natepro

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Interesting piece from the Atlantic of all places on Masks and Schools.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...wnside/619952/

I wonder what the educational cost of children's hospitals filling up with sick kids is.
09-02-2021, 10:47 PM
Sick Of It All

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Originally Posted by metswon69

You keep showing them DeSantis. **** masks mandates for kids in school. Btw, who didn't know this was going to happen?

DeSantis did not.

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09-03-2021, 07:36 AM
The20thK

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Originally Posted by metswon69

You keep showing them DeSantis. **** masks mandates for kids in school. Btw, who didn't know this was going to happen?

I’m not understanding this graph. There are numbers on three sides… can someone explain how to read it to me?

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