COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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08-26-2021, 12:26 PM
valade16

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Of course we don’t pay as much in taxes because it’s less than 5% of the population that using those services. What happens when it become 100% of the population? Now you’re no longer paying for veterans healthcare but everyone’s healthcare. You taxes are going to exponential.

What are the major factors driving our healthcare costs?

Again, countries who pay taxes to cover 100% of people still pay less in those taxes than Americans spend on healthcare. We are paying more with the current system now than anyone is paying in the system you don’t want us to switch to.

What is driving our healthcare costs? The for profit nature of the system:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tod...amp/tdna192119

Insurance companies spend a lot of money trying to keep from covering people and the costs when someone isn’t covered are enormous. Our multiple systems and insurances create duplicity in the system which adds to the cost.

In short, our system is why healthcare is so expensive in the US.
08-26-2021, 12:29 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by The20thK

How could you possibly know that we are higher in infant mortality than countries that don’t include the same data we do? You’re throwing crap out there that you have no idea about.

How would you fix the system? What are the major factors driving costs?

No I am not. They’ve done studies on infant mortality including all classifications in Nordic countries and their rate is still lower than ours:

https://bmcpregnancychildbirth.biome...884-017-1622-z
08-26-2021, 12:33 PM
ManRam

The20thK, since you seem to be the biggest Covid conspiracy theorist here.

Can you explain why you think so many right-wingers are more comfortable taking horse dewormers and hydroxychloroquine than a vaccine. I honestly just do not get that pathology. Why they're so terrified of a vaccine but so willing to try out these things. Genuinely curious. Though, to my knowledge you aren't one of those people.
08-26-2021, 12:37 PM
valade16

https://www.yahoo.com/news/im-still-...201753258.html

Just as I predicted, many of those who said they wouldn’t take the vaccines because they don’t have FDA approval are now saying they still don’t plan to get it now that it has FDA approval.

They never cared about whether it had FDA approval or not, they just didn’t want to take it.
08-26-2021, 12:39 PM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by valade16

https://www.yahoo.com/news/im-still-...201753258.html

Just as I predicted, many of those who said they wouldn’t take the vaccines because they don’t have FDA approval are now saying they still don’t plan to get it now that it has FDA approval.

They never cared about whether it had FDA approval or not, they just didn’t want to take it.

Just looking for the next goalpost to move on why they will tell everyone they aren't getting it.
08-26-2021, 12:45 PM
The20thK

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Originally Posted by valade16

No I am not. They’ve done studies on infant mortality including all classifications in Nordic countries and their rate is still lower than ours:

https://bmcpregnancychildbirth.biome...884-017-1622-z

I’m honestly not seeing where they account for Incomplete data. Could you show me?

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08-26-2021, 12:47 PM
The20thK

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Originally Posted by ManRam

The20thK, since you seem to be the biggest Covid conspiracy theorist here.

Can you explain why you think so many right-wingers are more comfortable taking horse dewormers and hydroxychloroquine than a vaccine. I honestly just do not get that pathology. Why they're so terrified of a vaccine but so willing to try out these things. Genuinely curious. Though, to my knowledge you aren't one of those people.

No I cant. But I would say it’s only “right-wingers” there are many people who are hesitant to take the vaccine… including a large democratic population.

The only possible excuse I could give you is that it wouldn’t hurt anyone to take ivermectin. My uncle is a doctor in Texas and he is prescribing it.

Have you researched Ivermectin?

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08-26-2021, 12:48 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by The20thK

I’m honestly not seeing where they account for Incomplete data. Could you show me?

It’s under Methods Data. They count babies who died prior to 30 days in their data.
08-26-2021, 12:48 PM
The20thK

COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by The20thK

No I cant. But I would say it’s only “right-wingers” there are many people who are hesitant to take the vaccine… including a large democratic population.

The only possible excuse I could give you is that it wouldn’t hurt anyone to take ivermectin. My uncle is a doctor in Texas and he is prescribing it.

Have you researched Ivermectin?

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Also… I have more experience with Covid than any other person on these boards and maybe more than all of you liberals on here put together.

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08-26-2021, 12:49 PM
The20thK

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Originally Posted by valade16

It’s under Methods Data. They count babies who died prior to 30 days in their data.

Thanks I’ll go look.

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08-26-2021, 12:49 PM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by The20thK

No I cant. But I would say it’s only “right-wingers” there are many people who are hesitant to take the vaccine… including a large democratic population.

The only possible excuse I could give you is that it wouldn’t hurt anyone to take ivermectin. My uncle is a doctor in Texas and he is prescribing it.

Have you researched Ivermectin?

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Ivermectin is the horse dewormer he is speaking of lol. Yikes.
08-26-2021, 12:51 PM
natepro

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Originally Posted by The20thK

No I cant. But I would say it’s only “right-wingers” there are many people who are hesitant to take the vaccine… including a large democratic population.

The only possible excuse I could give you is that it wouldn’t hurt anyone to take ivermectin. My uncle is a doctor in Texas and he is prescribing it.

Have you researched Ivermectin?

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Jesus ****ing Christ.
08-26-2021, 12:57 PM
ManRam

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Originally Posted by The20thK

Have you researched Ivermectin?

OK. I guess you are one of those people!

Why are you quick to say "hey, look into Ivermectin" as opposed to, you know, a vaccine that works? Why are you more inclined to trust those who are saying "take the dewormer", but so opposed to the vaccine? Help me understand.
08-26-2021, 12:59 PM
The20thK

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Originally Posted by valade16

It’s under Methods Data. They count babies who died prior to 30 days in their data.

Still not seeing it… unless you mean where they excluded all but 4 countries due to incomplete data.

Even then this paper is dealing with low birth weight being the main cause of infant mortality. It speaks nothing, that I can see, of any ranking with the US.

Beyond that, and another argument completely, is trying to rank a homogenous society with a non/homogeneous society in healthcare is difficult due to the complexity and diversity of illness and cultures.

But I’m willing to concede that the US ranks worse in infant mortality if you can show me where they excluded Scandinavian countries propensity to not report it the same way we do.

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08-26-2021, 01:01 PM
The20thK

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Ivermectin is the horse dewormer he is speaking of lol. Yikes.

https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...py/ivermectin/

https://www.who.int/news-room/featur...linical-trials

Is it really as big a deal as you guys are making it out to be?

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