COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by nastynice

It CAN be based in science.

If churches are essential, how is labeling it essential special treatment? If every other essential entity was labeled essential then so should church.

If big box stores are open and operating, then I certainly see the case for church to be open. Why do big box stores get special treatment?

Is big box stores being labelled essential based in science?

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...der_trump.html
Joy Reid says that "Blacks may not take the vaccine because it was developed under Trump."

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

YOU may not be, but there have been a few posters denigrating religion. So no. The use of 'we' is definitely not approptiate in the context of your post since the argument sitewolf and nasty are making includes rebuttals from posters denigrating religion.

Off memory, Noodles and dbroncs have definitely posted some very denigrating comments about religion.

I'd have to go back, but I think crovash has toed that line.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

For one, I have always found eating and drinking to be more essential than singing praises to entities I have never seen, heard, touched, smelled, or tasted.

Also, the functioning restaurants in my community employ scores of people and pay taxes. The churches, on the other hand, are less beneficial to the local economy [EDIT] and in all likelihood a net drain.

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I went back for you. Is this denigrating religion?

If so, one the one hand I apologize, and on the other I stand by my observation.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

Which category of essential services do they fall into?

https://www.lawandtheworkplace.com/2...al-businesses/

The closest could be #8 but that would just be the outreach sections not the worship portion.

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Which I granted quite some time back could be done without congregating to worship.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Yes, all of it is opinion, but some opinions can be strongly backed up with statistics and some can't. Some opinions can hold more weight than others.

I dont know what went into it, based off of what people have linked in this thread no statistical analysis went into it. It seems to be based on opinion of what is essential. That's fine, in some cases we all agree, such as electricity. In some we dont, so where do we turn in those situations? I say to stats.

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Sure, you haven’t backed any of this up nor shown how statistics weren’t used initially. The arguments against these safety measures have been personal opinion for special treatment clearly not based in science.

We don’t force local government and health experts to create plans catering in special manner to one group not based in stats/science is what is being argue. You are the one arguing to ignore the experts based on your opinion mattering more.


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Originally Posted by nastynice

It CAN be based in science.

If churches are essential, how is labeling it essential special treatment? If every other essential entity was labeled essential then so should church.

If big box stores are open and operating, then I certainly see the case for church to be open. Why do big box stores get special treatment?

Is big box stores being labelled essential based in science?

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That’s not science based that is a but what about. Risk factors are different and services are different. The science shows what events are likely to cause more spread, you have actually had issue with it when it points against your opinion and ignored this. Churches are high risk.

You are just choosing something based on your personal opinion and saying but what about. That’s not remotely science based.


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https://thehill.com/policy/internati...andemic-report

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Leaked documents show China mishandled early COVID-19 pandemic: report

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Leaked documents from China show the country mishandled the early COVID-19 pandemic through misleading public data and three-week delays in test results, CNN reported Monday.

A whistleblower, who worked in the Chinese health care system, provided 117 pages of internal documents from the Hubei Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to CNN.

The files, which CNN had verified by six experts, showed how the region struggled to manage the coronavirus between October 2019 and April 2020 – a critical time period in which the virus spread from China to cause a worldwide pandemic.

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China virus. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

China virus. :shrug:

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Yeah, so?

Why don’t you send that off to the families of the 270,000 Americans who have died from Covid-19? I am sure it will brighten their day.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Yeah, so?

Why don’t you send that off to the families of the 270,000 Americans who have died from Covid-19? I am sure it will brighten their day.

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China lied and people died. when Trump said that he was attacked for it, but he was right.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

China lied and people died. when Trump said that he was attacked for it, but he was right.

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If so, he learned nothing because then “Trump lied and people died.”

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

That’s not science based that is a but what about. Risk factors are different and services are different. The science shows what events are likely to cause more spread, you have actually had issue with it when it points against your opinion and ignored this. Churches are high risk.

You are just choosing something based on your personal opinion and saying but what about. That’s not remotely science based.


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Churches ignoring protocols are high risk
So is any other business that ignores protocols

My gosh, what a surprise....an organization fills up a large facility with unmasked people during a pandemic and the results are tragic, of course they are and we know all about it. That is WHY there are protocols and restrictions. We know that, too.

But just to say 'churches are high risk' IS an opinion. I can't believe you guys keep saying 'oh my gawd, they SING in there!' ...you sound like the Grinch when he puzzled over the Whos' reaction to what he did while they slept. Firstly, the average parishioner is barely singing, secondly they're not singing for an hour straight, most are more following along with the song more than participating in it.

Yes, you can cherry pick these situations where bad things happen, but in basically every single case protocols were NOT followed. What I have said all along...and nasty has said all along...is that if protocols are followed, churches are no more high risk than many other situations.

But, the discussion has become pointless. Obviously I'm just an ignorant old overweight white guy with no common sense and weak logic skills, given that's how some of you view Christians just on a normal day.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...andemic-report




China virus. :shrug:

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Donald Trump mishandled it too...

Trump virus???

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Originally Posted by Kenny Powders

Trump virus???

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redundant terms?

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Originally Posted by catman

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...der_trump.html
Joy Reid says that "Blacks may not take the vaccine because it was developed under Trump."

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Counterpoint: Black people might not take the vaccine because the medical establishment has given them many many reasons not to trust them.

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Originally Posted by catman

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...der_trump.html
Joy Reid says that "Blacks may not take the vaccine because it was developed under Trump."

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Well if Joy said so


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