COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

42,138 deaths in almost 52 days. That makes for an average of 810 COVID-19 related deaths per day.

It’s not about the numbers you guys want to share.

It’s about the numbers HE wants to share. He has the best numbers.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

it fits.

did you notice my post after that. clearly this person from New York Times is a hypocrite, writing the article she did after she herself said what she did in February. this is what I'm talking about, I post something making a point and nobody including you responds.

https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...5#post33452705

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If someone believes something to be true and then change their belief when they receive new facts they are not a hypocrite. That makes them rational. It’s when you say that a politician with the the most in depth intel at his fingertips shouldn’t be judged on their statements from late March but some NY Times employees should be that you become a hypocrite. See the difference?

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Originally Posted by debo

It’s not about the numbers you guys want to share.

It’s about the numbers HE wants to share. He has the best numbers.

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Beautiful numbers!

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Another study showing that the mortality rate is lower than they thought


https://twitter.com/joeysalads/statu...921994753?s=21

Is it possible that there’s two type of virus? One that is deadlier than another?


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I think they’ve already said there are multiple strains. Can’t recall


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Originally Posted by Sick Of It All

Beautiful numbers!

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Some say the greatest numbers of all time!


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Originally Posted by WES445

I don't see our politicians keeping or following stupid laws unless someone benefits from them financially or politically. This is high-quality food being wasted that was supposed to be shipped to restaurants and businesses.

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It's not politicians, it's the companies. They are told "you can't" and they take it as gospel and it's not questioned.

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Originally Posted by GasMan

**** the next pandemic. I thought we were the greatest country on the planet. How are we unable to make these tests up the the quantity needed? We’re running out of swabs. How is that possible? Six weeks ago (and really much sooner) we should have known that we would need hundreds of millions if not a billion plus tests to have any ability to confront this pandemic. Where was the person who was making sure this stuff was happening? Yes a lot of this requires supply chains that exist outside our country but I find it hard to believe that if we wanted to with competent leadership we couldn’t have turned into a country that made PPE, ventilators and testing kits. This feels like we woke up the morning of the science project with a cup of dirt (Brian Reagan fans?).

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I really already broke it down. We off-shored most of the manufacturing and the whole thing is going to take time to ramp up.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Not sure, depends on the legality of Governors' quarantine orders.

That being said, kind of undermines their point when they're like "we are not going to put up with Government tyranny! But we will obey any and all laws from the Government"...

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If the order is not legal it's not illegal to ignore it, so it's not disobeying a law.

Can you (or anyone) find the actual text of a stay at home order's legal support? I looked but all I find are wackos.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Always so quick to blame the Government and regulations (which is why I questioned your stance on regulations in the other thread, for someone who has stated businesses have no inherent obligation to behave ethically or morally you seem very anti-regulation).

Turns out, it's not regulations, its where farmers traditionally sell their products no longer having the demand because where people buy food have shifted:

https://www.today.com/food/why-farme...d-food-t178695

I found this part to be particularly ironic to your point:

According to food industry experts, solving this problem isn't impossible, but it will require an efficient plan and help from the government.

So not only is Government not the problem here, experts are saying they must be part of the solution.

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I'm not anti-regulation full stop. I'm against the poor enforcement of poorly written or poorly thought out regulations.

As an example, bottlenecking regulations are pretty much always terrible and sponsored by businesses trying to protect their business and have nothing to do with protecting the populace. I've run head on into a bunch of regulations that make it hard or impossible to help people, and the regulations are sold as protecting people.

The help from the government often comes in the form of permission to do things in ways that are not otherwise permitted. Just like Doctors couldn't help in many cases because most states don't allow doctors to practice in their non-home states. It took the government explicitly allowing that for doctors to be able to help.

My distrust of regulation for regulation probably began when I got picked up for putting money in expired parking meters when I was a teen. To my mind the city was getting their rent for the parking spot that they wanted, but the judge said I was stealing from the city the amount of the parking ticket and the towing company from their towing fee. I also found out in that same day in court that the city required the towing company to charge a $98 fee on top of the regular towing rate, but that the city didn't get any of that fee money. Corruption is everywhere it seems.

That said, I am absolutely for rules to live by, both for individuals and companies ... I just think there are more bad ones than good.

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Originally Posted by WES445

What would you call a "stay at home order"? With the keyword being "order". Considering an unarmed black person can be shot for not following orders, I would consider it being something to follow as tightly as I follow the law.

Grant it I can understand their reasons for breaking the law, but it is still breaking the law. If you are going to walk that path, it best be for a damn good reason. MLK broke many laws for his movement.

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"an unarmed black person can be shot for not following orders" ... and that isn't going to be challenged in court? And it's never going to lose in court?

An illegal order is not a law. I just don't know if it's a legal order. I do know the vast majority of people are following it (on both sides) while a relatively small number of idiots are not (on both sides).

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

Governors are empowered with police power. There is no real legitimacy to the claims people have been making.

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Without limits?

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Originally Posted by SfgiantsJD3

Being prepared for the next one assumes it behaves the same as the last one, structural changes like how FDA and CDC behave are required, maybe the next virus has no need for ventilators, maybe its something completely different and equally deadly but requites different equipment and different PPE. Maybe its airborne or in the water. The amount of equipment to warehouse, test and maintain and the cost is why it wasn't done before.

We need some worse case scenarios on types of equipment and PPE that could be needed for different situations.

This country definitely needs to start bringing back critical industries to be made in the US. A lot of this stuff could be made by automated robotic lines. Give the manufacturers a tax credit to re-home that requires them to sell to USA first. I believe a lot of the drug companies moves offshore after ACA https://www.fda.gov/drugs/guidance-c...e-act-aca-6004 due to new manufacturing and testing requirements, anyway that is what I was told when a prescription I take went up 500% for something that had been used for over 100 years, fewer firms wanted to certify and some moved off shore.

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To be clear, in 2009 we had a virus crisis. We exhausted our emergency supplies. We did not replenish them. The US manufacturers told the government we needed to build more local manufacturing infrastructure for next time. It didn't happen. That exact infrastructure would have made a huge difference today. Those missing supplies would have made a huge difference today.

https://twitter.com/therickwilson/st...553173506?s=21

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Originally Posted by browski234

That’s not blame,

he’s mentioned appropriately as an example of media pushing a false narrative.

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it's not blame, as you then mention they are giving him blame.

even if it's justified that they mention Hannity, it's then deserved blame.