I like how, as per usual, this absolute clown says he's done with the conversation and then makes four more posts on the topic within roughly fifteen minutes. Dude has zero self control.
I like how, as per usual, this absolute clown says he's done with the conversation and then makes four more posts on the topic within roughly fifteen minutes. Dude has zero self control.
Being a Nazi >>> not being organized and preparedQuote:
Originally Posted by valade16
nvm
Catman, not sure what your motive was for discussing moral high ground here, but you clearly backed yourself into a corner where you couldn't defend your position because it sounded eerily similar to the white supremacist sympathizers who attempted to draw attention away from their own.
The path of your posts took such weird twists. You went from discussing moral high ground, to the legal status of permits, to battle strategy....all the while trying to distance yourself from the white supremacist sympathizer stance by saying that those nazi wannabes should have never been allowed to protest in the first place. And then you tried the classic brett ejector seat method of "we're not on topic".
If you are against hate, racism, white supremacy, etc. then there should be zero discussion of permits or what people did to defend anti-racism.
Sorry, but that is how I feel. The KKK is clearly not worth defending. The city of Charlottesville allowed the march to happen, knowing what the KKK was, and the leftists came, armed, prepared to fight. No one has moral high ground.
Its very evident you got your facts from conservative news sources because what makes you think the left was the only ones who were armed? You do realize there were multiple far right wing militia groups who participated in this rally, right? Do you think they protested unarmed because I have a bridge to sell you if you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
The moral high ground position was lost when KKK, Neo Nazis, and other segregationist groups hit the streets.
When did I say that only the left was armed? The KKK and Nazis always come to a "march" armed. I would have thought that was understood. If you didn't realize that, I apologize. Cowards like them always have to have their "security blankets". In the case of the KKK/Nazis, that means they come with their guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
The moral high ground was lost on all sides when the city of Charlottesville granted the permit.
No middle ground; you are either for me or against me.
Yeah, I wonder if this moral high ground argument also applies when various countries defend themselves in war.
How Americans choose to defend themselves against white supremacists, racists, and nazi wannabes does not eliminate their justification for doing so. Thus, they maintain their morality. Sitting back and ignoring people who are actively seeking to suppress the freedoms of others is not okay. If our government (in this case the government of NC and local law enforcement) is not going to stand up to this, then there is ZERO problem with the people taking matters into their own hands.
When someone attacks you, you have the right to defend yourself. Not sure who started the fiasco in Charlottesville. If the KKK started it, the left was justified in defending themselves. If the left started it, there is no justification involved. The KKK is never justifiable.
So why only bring up the left being armed? Its weird how you talk specifically about the left being armed then suggest a good majority of those far right wing extremists probably had gun(s) on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
You think those groups would have not protested even without a permit? I don't think the permit thing matters as much as you want it to matter. Trying to suggest all sides were at fault diminishes how at fault those who decided to march on behalf of the KKK, Neo Nazis, etc were. I still don't see how the moral high ground belongs anywhere besides those who counter protested prejudiced *******s.
I thought everyone understood that the KKK/Nazis always went armed. Again, if that was not understood, I apologize. Cowards like that always need their guns, as their words won't win any "converts".Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Yet here you are....Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
I think you've really put yourself in a bad spot by trying to remain neutral on an issue where neutrality is actually picking a side.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
The white supremacists there were attacking. They are spreading a message of hate, they are calling for oppression, and they came armed. The government did nothing to protect citizens, so the citizens defended themselves. There is no laying down and letting this happen. There needs to be a clear opposition to this. The government failed to stand against this and prevent it from happening. The counter protesters were justified in whatever they did to defend their freedoms that.....yes....were being attacked.
By surmising "who started this", you are reducing a deeply serious issue to that of a conflict between two kindergarten students.