COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by catman

Again, I will ask if this was the time and place for a major confrontation. Is it a good idea, militarily, to attack your enemy when they have their entire army massed like this? Unless the left decided before hand to mass their forces and attack (which takes away their moral high ground), they made a huge mistake by doing so.
Denounce them, sure. Confronting them when it is obvious that they have nummerical superiority is foolhardy. I denounce the KKK and Nazis daily.

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What does this have to do with their morality? You’re saying the people who confronted the KKK and Nazis are the same morally because they didn’t bring enough people to fight them?

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Originally Posted by catman

Would you have confronted them if you were alone?

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If he (or anyone else) did I would t say they are as immoral as the Nazis or KKK for doing so…

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Originally Posted by natepro

Yes, it was. The time to confront them is when they show their faces in public. Your "moral high ground" rhetoric is completely laughable.

Attack? Forces? Again, they were the ones that ended up being murdered. One side drove their car into the other, and it wasn't the one that said didn't have the moral high ground, and it wasn't the one you said could've "massed their forces and attack." It was the Nazis that you want to ignore.


I guess that tells us that you wouldn't.

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Ignore the Nazis? I don't think so. I have said that their brand of hatred is not acceptable in any place. Charlottesville allowed it, so they are more at fault than either the left or right protestors.
And, no, I would not confront someone with that much hatred alone. I don't have a deathwish. I would not have attended the march at all.

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Originally Posted by catman

That is not a decision for me to make. The city of Charlottesville granted them a permit to march, knowing what and who they were. The fault for the confrontation lies partially at their feet as well, so I guess there are 3 groups that are wrong here. The right-wingers are wrong for preaching their hatred, the left-wingers are wrong for physically confronting them at this time and the city was wrong for allowing it to happen in the first place.
3 wrongs and nobody is completely right here.

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The left-wingers are equally as morally wrong as the KKK and Nazis for confronting them without a permit?

Nobody is completely right here, but you are completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

You are an absolute clown. :laugh2:

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It's amazing how some people are perfectly content siding with order over justice. Those are the kinds of people MLK told us to watch out for.

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Originally Posted by valade16

What does this have to do with their morality? You’re saying the people who confronted the KKK and Nazis are the same morally because they didn’t bring enough people to fight them?

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All I said was that they did not have the moral high ground when they confronted the KKK. I have said that they were partially at fault for the outcome, as were the KKK and the city. No one was completely right here.

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Originally Posted by catman

I will add one more thought and leave it. Charlottesville was more wrong than either the right-wingers or left-wingers for allowing the KKK's brand of hatred to be brought into their town in this organized fashion. Had they approached me, I would have not given them the permit to begin with.
So, we have a percentage of fault here -- 50% Charlottesville, 40% KKK and 10% left wingers in my opinion.

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Seems to contradict your whole "ignoring" them thing, but I suppose that's to be expected.

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Originally Posted by valade16

The left-wingers are equally as morally wrong as the KKK and Nazis for confronting them without a permit?

Nobody is completely right here, but you are completely wrong.

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How am I completely wrong. I have said that none of the 3 was completely right.

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Originally Posted by catman

Ignore the Nazis? I don't think so. I have said that their brand of hatred is not acceptable in any place. Charlottesville allowed it, so they are more at fault than either the left or right protestors.
And, no, I would not confront someone with that much hatred alone. I don't have a deathwish. I would not have attended the march at all.

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It's literally what you said.

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Originally Posted by catman

When did I ever say that the right-wingers had the moral high ground? I don't believe you'll find that I ever did.
The left-wingers should have allowed the march to go on, ignoring the right-wingers. All they wanted that day was a confrontation with left-wingers and they got one. They simply wanted the publicity. Just like Trump. If you ignore him, he will go away. Narcissists like him thrive on publicity. Without it, they have nothing.

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Twice, in fact. Now you're disagreeing with yourself?

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Originally Posted by catman

All I said was that they did not have the moral high ground when they confronted the KKK. I have said that they were partially at fault for the outcome, as were the KKK and the city. No one was completely right here.

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Of course the people confronting the KKK and the Nazis had the moral high ground. It's absolutely baffling that you could even attempt to argue otherwise.

You know how you can tell who has the moral high ground in a confrontation between Nazis and people that live in a city where Nazis are marching in the streets? It's super simple.

The people with the moral high ground are the ones that aren't Nazis.

I do not think that the KKK/Nazi way of thinking is ever acceptable. The city of Charlottesville granted them a permit to march. The left-wingers confronted them during that march.
All 3 sides were to blame for the outcome. Had the city not allowed the march in the first place, it would not have happened. Had the left-wingers not confronted them, it would not have happened. Had the KKK/Nazis not wanted to spread their hatred, it would not have happened.
Did I ever say the Nazis/KKK had the moral high ground? I did not. Attacking them phyiscally does not give you the moral high ground. Attacking them verbally, philosophically gives you the moral high ground. When you play their game, you don't. That is what happened here.

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Originally Posted by catman

I will add one more thought and leave it.

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Another lie.

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Originally Posted by catman

Ignore the Nazis? I don't think so. I have said that their brand of hatred is not acceptable in any place. Charlottesville allowed it, so they are more at fault than either the left or right protestors.
And, no, I would not confront someone with that much hatred alone. I don't have a deathwish. I would not have attended the march at all.

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Like I said.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Of course the people confronting the KKK and the Nazis had the moral high ground. It's absolutely baffling that you could even attempt to argue otherwise.

You know how you can tell who has the moral high ground in a confrontation between Nazis and people that live in a city where Nazis are marching in the streets? It's super simple.

The people with the moral high ground are the ones that aren't Nazis.

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....but they didn't even have a permit!

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Originally Posted by catman

All I said was that they did not have the moral high ground when they confronted the KKK. I have said that they were partially at fault for the outcome, as were the KKK and the city. No one was completely right here.

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Yes, they did. They didn't lose the moral high ground because they didn't get a permit to confront them. They didn't lose the moral high ground because they were outnumbered.

Catman, Listen to the reasons you gave for why the left-wingers there were in the wrong. Were any of the reasons you listed as bad as the KKK or Nazis?