COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by metswon69

:laugh2:. Certainly no bias there from a fellow Libertarian.

Just add it to the list of things in this thread in which you have no clue what you're talking about. Masks, vaccines, Rand Paul being the best senator. Lol.

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Claiming I have no idea what I'm talking about is not an argument either.
Typical anti-intellectual leftist behavior.

You cant stand that people have better political beliefs than you and advocate liberty so you want to tear them down.. but you can't refute their actual positions.

Easier to just call them names like 'human garbage' and pretend they don't know what they are talking about.

Rand has stood up for liberty and against authoritarian measures you support. That must really bug you.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Claiming I have no idea what I'm talking about is not an argument either.
Typical anti-intellectual leftist behavior.

You cant stand that people have better political beliefs than you and advocate liberty so you want to tear them down.. but you can't refute their actual positions.

Easier to just call them names like 'human garbage' and pretend they don't know what they are talking about.

Rand has stood up for liberty and against authoritarian measures you support. That must really bug you.

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No, you've shown consistently in this thread that you are wrong about masks, wrong about the vaccine, etc. Rand Paul being the best senator is just icing on the cake.

I could spend the time picking Rand Paul apart but what's the point? It would fall on deaf ears considering how enamored you are with the man. His positions on COVID, masks, etc are almost as ignorant as yours btw. Almost.

Doing a real good job in Kentucky too btw. It only ranks among the most uneducated, poorest states in the country. A state that is 2nd most dependent state on federal aid in the US. Might be time to rethink your idols.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

No, you've shown consistently in this thread that you are wrong about masks, wrong about the vaccine, etc. Rand Paul being the best senator is just icing on the cake.

I could spend the time picking Rand Paul apart but what's the point? It would fall on deaf ears considering how enamored you are with the man. His positions on COVID, masks, etc are almost as ignorant as yours btw. Almost.

Doing a real good job in Kentucky too btw. The state only ranks among the most uneducated, poorest states in the country.

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What was I wrong on about masks?
What about the vaccine?
Be specific.

Having a different opinion than you regarding Rand Paul does not make me wrong or ignorant.
I respect his defense of liberty in the face of authoritarianism. You hate him for it. You are in the wrong there.

This keeps coming up where a leftist identifies someone as different and therefore they must be wrong, demonized and dismissed. A disgusting anti-intellectual tactic.

Calling our positions ignorant is not an argument. Just more immature posturing from an insecure authoritarian.

Bashing Kentucky does not refute his policies.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

What was I wrong on about masks?
What about the vaccine?
Be specific.

Having a different opinion than you regarding Rand Paul does not make me wrong or ignorant.
I respect his defense of liberty in the face of authoritarianism. You hate him for it. You are in the wrong there.

This keeps coming up where a leftist identifies someone as different and therefore they must be wrong, demonized and dismissed. A disgusting anti-intellectual tactic.

Calling our positions ignorant is not an argument. Just more immature posturing from an insecure authoritarian.

Bashing Kentucky does not refute his policies.

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That masks don't protect against the Delta variant. I provided 5 examples after a 2 minute Google search. That medical experts don't agree on those who can get vaccine, should.

In the case of Rand Paul it does. I'm bashing the job he does representing Kentucky btw. Him and McConnell bare responsibility for the lack of economic growth, the problems with education, the healthcare issues, and the amount of federal aid that the state needs to survive. They are both awful at their jobs. Why are the most basic concepts so difficult for you?

Like you've been doing with medical experts btw? People who are far more qualified than you on the subject of COVID but your research usurps their medical knowledge, right? The irony in you talking about an anti intellectual tactic. You've been engaging in that for the last 4 or 5 pages of this thread.

Your positions on these subjects are ignorant. There's no doubt about that. Maybe if you speak them into existence enough, they might come true though.

Rand Paul is the best senator lmao. You're on a roll. Same guy who says its okay if a privately owned business has rules against serving certain races because they're a private business.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

That masks don't protect against the Delta variant. I provided 5 examples after a 2 minute Google search.

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Cite where I said all masks don't protect against the delta variant specifically.
Then apologize when you realize you were misrepresenting me again.

I discussed the relative ineffectiveness of random cloth masks and opposed a mandate.

Respecting liberty and bodily autonomy more than you do does not mean I am wrong or ignorant.

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That medical experts don't agree on those who can get vaccine, should.

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Thats not what I actually said.

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In the case of Rand Paul it does. I'm bashing the job he does representing Kentucky btw. Him and McConnell bare responsibility for the lack of economic growth, the problems with education, the healthcare issues, and the amount of federal aid that the state needs to survive. Why are the most basic concepts so difficult for you?

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Rand is not the king of Kentucky. He is a US senator. Hello?

He does actually advocate good economic policies which I bet you don't have the knowledge to combat and haven't even identified.

Sure just bash Kentucky and pretend pre-existing problems are his fault in order to dismiss Rand and myself without actually identifying or refuting any policies.
Do you really think that is intellectually sound? Its not.

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Like you've been doing with medical experts btw? People who are far more qualified than you on the subject of COVID but your research usurps there's. The irony in you talking about an anti intellectual tactic. You've been engaging in that for the last 4 or 5 pages of this thread.

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This is another misrepresentation and appeal to authority.

Its not anti-intellectual to question 'medical experts'. What a backwards assertion.
Think about what you are saying.

Disagreeing with subjective mandate recommendations of the government does not automatically make me wrong. Sorry I don't blindly capitulate to your government priests and fearmongering.

If you have something that actually refutes something I said then go for it.
Not this vapid posturing about medical experts and blatant misrepresentations of my positions as an excuse to avoid considering my actual positions.

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Your positions on these subjects are ignorant. There's no doubt about that. Maybe if you speak the contrary into existence enough, it may become reality though.

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You haven't demonstrated the honesty to accurately represent or address my positions and have not shown them to be ignorant or wrong.

I ask again.
Specifically what did I say about vaccines that was wrong?
Cite the actual words, not your own made up fantasy about my beliefs.

Now realize that attempting to use your fantasy about me being wrong about vaccines does not mean I am wrong about Rand. Come up with a real argument instead of this fallacious nonsense.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Cite where I said all masks don't protect against the delta variant specifically.
Then apologize when you realize you were misrepresenting me again.

I discussed the relative ineffectiveness of random cloth masks and opposed a mandate.

Respecting liberty and bodily autonomy more than you do does not mean I am wrong or ignorant.


Thats not what I actually said.



Rand is not the king of Kentucky. He is a US senator. Hello?

He does actually advocate good economic policies which I bet you don't have the knowledge to combat and haven't even identified.

Sure just bash Kentucky and pretend pre-existing problems are his fault in order to dismiss Rand and myself without actually identifying or refuting any policies.
Do you really think that is intellectually sound? Its not.



This is another misrepresentation and appeal to authority.

Its not anti-intellectual to question 'medical experts'. What a backwards assertion.
Think about what you are saying.

Disagreeing with subjective mandate recommendations of the government does not automatically make me wrong. Sorry I don't blindly capitulate to your government priests and fearmongering.

If you have something that actually refutes something I said then go for it.
Not this vapid posturing about medical experts and blatant misrepresentations of my positions as an excuse to avoid considering my actual positions.


You haven't demonstrated the honesty to accurately represent or address my positions and have not shown them to be ignorant or wrong.

I ask again.
Specifically what did I say about vaccines that was wrong?
Cite the actual words, not your own made up fantasy about my beliefs.

Now realize that attempting to use your fantasy about me being wrong about vaccines does not mean I am wrong about Rand. Come up with a real argument instead of this fallacious nonsense.

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I posted 2 links that suggest that masks (of no specific brand) are effective against the Delta variant.

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+...client=gws-wiz

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/...-masks-stop-it

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Dr. Todd Vento, an infectious diseases doctor at Intermountain Healthcare, told reporters Thursday that fully vaccinated people should mask up right now because of the delta variant.

“It doesn’t take the place of common sense. It doesn’t take the place of masks and social distancing, We still have to do those. We have to do those even more now because we’ve got a much more aggressive virus that goes between people much more easily. Masks do work to prevent that,” Vento said.

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Does anything in those statements specifically suggest they need to be N-95 or just masks? This idea that cloth masks don't help or are somehow ineffective in the mitigation of spread is something you just made up. Masks>>>no masks. Kids wearing masks in schools>>discretion of parents sending them with or without protection.

Btw you've been all over the place with mask wearing. Shifting goalposts from random masks to masks in general. Are you just saying cloth masks because your beloved senator said as much?

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

How do i know that?
Is there any good reason at all to believe masks are magically much more effective against the new variant?
Not that I have seen.
You?

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But I am sure that was just a fantasy too, right?

Oh stop the ********. Rand Paul represents the state. He has for the last 10 years. Could he draft and help pass legislation to change some of those things? Of course he could. The fact is Kentucky feeds off the federal aid teet and little has been done to fix some of the state's nagging problems. As I said before, you're so enamored with the guy its pointless to waste the keystrokes. Its ridiculous that you think he's done this excellent job and that he holds no barring for his state's inadequacies. Just some of the ludicrous misinformation he has spread around during the pandemic is bad enough.

You keep putting medical experts in quotations. This isn't sarcasm. This is the real world and not just advocates of government. These are doctors and scientists. Something you have zero qualifications to dismiss. The 10 minutes you spent on Web MD doesn't count btw. If anyone is engaging in anti intellectual tactics, its you. I'm not misrepresenting your positions. You're not even consistent on what your position is in regards to masks besides your need to espouse how much freedom is lost wearing them.

Your position on masks is wrong. The scientific part. The results part you are wrong. All it specifically leads to is more cases, more hospitalizations, and more death if kids don't wear them. Numbers that will be significantly higher if we were to take your approach which you still haven't fully explained.

Your stance that uneducated science deniers don't make up most of the anti vaxxers is wrong too. The two go hand in hand. The overwhelming evidence of the 4.5 billion people who have been vaccinated show there are minimal side effects. You're certainly denying the science if you account for those things and refuse to be vaccinated anyways. The vaccine and the people encouraging you to get it aren't the problem.

Rand Paul should be criminally charged. Waging an anti-vax crusade all the while being financially tied to a company that makes COVID treatment drugs. He encouraged people to be unsafe so that more of that drug would be needed and people died. How hasn't be been criminally charged yet?

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Rand is the best senator there is. Calling him vile names is not an argument.

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:laugh:

You rule. I'm so happy you're here. FNK and Sluggo get too repetitive.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

There is a lot you don't understand.

Rand is the best senator there is. Calling him vile names is not an argument.

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If by best senator, do you mean a fraudulent "doctor" and someone who profits off the suffering of people stupid enough to follow his advise? Remember he had to make up his own eye doctor organization in Kentucky to be allowed to practice. Remember that he is currently profiting off people who refuse to get vaccinated and then need life saving treatment for COVID.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Show some awareness of what's happening then.

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I have all along. Stop acting like someone without any actual knowledge of a subject.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

There is a lot you don't understand.

Rand is the best senator there is. Calling him vile names is not an argument.

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:laugh2:

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Originally Posted by catman

I have all along. Stop acting like someone without any actual knowledge of a subject.

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Jesus, you don't even know that you don't even know what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Show some awareness of what's happening then.

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Double quote again because I have a very important question to ask.
Have you ever, personally, dealt with Covid either as a caregiver or a patient?

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Originally Posted by valade16

Except everything you said has already been disproven. You haven’t even answered my questions, generally you don’t answer anyone’s questions, likely because you don’t have any answers.

Every conversation with you is inevitably low quality because no one is given anything but low quality to respond to.

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He’s Brett’s doppleganger.