For a period of time women were discouraged from getting the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
https://www.google.com/search?q=were...hrome&ie=UTF-8
For a period of time women were discouraged from getting the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
https://www.google.com/search?q=were...hrome&ie=UTF-8
I legit laughed at the google search phrase...
Poor brett. Then again, the ignorance must equate to lots of happiness regardless of how little it's based in reality.
look at you, growing up before our eyes!Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Now search, "CDC recommendations for pregnant women/covid vaccine".
No wonder you generally shy away from sharing citations; you are terrible at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
New Data Links Pandemic’s Origins to Raccoon Dogs at Wuhan Market
"An international team of virus experts said on Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.
The genetic data was drawn from swabs taken from in and around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market starting in January 2020, shortly after the Chinese authorities had shut down the market because of suspicions that it was linked to the outbreak of a new virus. By then, the animals had been cleared out, but researchers swabbed walls, floors, metal cages and carts often used for transporting animal cages.
In samples that came back positive for the coronavirus, the international research team found genetic material belonging to animals, including large amounts that were a match for the raccoon dog, three scientists involved in the analysis said.
The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected. And even if a raccoon dog had been infected, it would not be clear that the animal had spread the virus to people. Another animal could have passed the virus to people, or someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog.
But the analysis did establish that raccoon dogs — fluffy animals that are related to foxes and are known to be able to transmit the coronavirus — deposited genetic signatures in the same place where genetic material from the virus was left, the three scientists said. That evidence, they said, was consistent with a scenario in which the virus had spilled into humans from a wild animal.
The new evidence is sure to provide a jolt to the debate over the pandemic’s origins, even if it does not resolve the question of how it began.
In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.
But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.
Jeremy Kamil, a virologist at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport who was not involved in the study, said the findings showed that “the samples from the market that had early Covid lineages in them were contaminated with DNA reads of wild animals.”
Dr. Kamil said that fell short of conclusive evidence that an infected animal had set off the pandemic. But, he said, “it really puts the spotlight on the illegal animal trade in an intimate way.”
Chinese scientists had released a study looking at the same market samples in February 2022. That study had reported that samples were positive for the coronavirus but suggested that the virus had come from infected people who were shopping or working in the market, rather than from animals being sold there.
At some point, those same researchers, including some affiliated with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, posted the raw data from swabs around the market to GISAID, an international repository of genetic sequences of viruses. (Attempts to reach the Chinese scientists by phone on Thursday were not successful.)
On March 4, Florence Débarre, an evolutionary biologist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, happened to be searching that database for information related to the Huanan market when, she said in an interview, she noticed more sequences than usual popping up. Confused at first about whether they contained new data, Dr. Débarre put them aside, only to log in again last week and discover that they held a trove of raw data.
Virus experts had been awaiting that raw sequence data from the market since they learned of its existence in the Chinese report from February 2022. Dr. Débarre said she had alerted other scientists, including the leaders of a team that had published a set of studies last year pointing to the market as the origin.
An international team — which included Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona; Kristian Andersen, a virologist at the Scripps Research Institute in California; and Edward Holmes, a biologist at the University of Sydney — started mining the new genetic data last week.
One sample in particular caught their attention. It had been taken from a cart linked to a specific stall at the Huanan market that Dr. Holmes had visited in 2014, scientists involved in the analysis said. That stall, Dr. Holmes found, contained caged raccoon dogs on top of a separate cage holding birds, exactly the sort of environment conducive to the transmission of new viruses.
The swab taken from a cart there in early 2020, the research team found, contained genetic material from the virus and a raccoon dog.
“We were able to figure out relatively quickly that at least in one of these samples, there was a lot of raccoon dog nucleic acid, along with virus nucleic acid,” said Stephen Goldstein, a virologist at the University of Utah who worked on the new analysis. (Nucleic acids are the chemical building blocks that carry genetic information.)
After the international team stumbled upon the new data, they reached out to the Chinese researchers who had uploaded the files with an offer to collaborate, hewing to rules of the online repository, scientists involved with the new analysis said. After that, the sequences disappeared from GISAID.
It is not clear who removed them or why they were taken down.
Dr. Débarre said the research team was seeking more data, including some from market samples that were never made public. “What’s important is there’s still more data,” she said.
Scientists involved with the analysis said that some of the samples had also contained genetic material from other animals and from humans. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada, who worked on the analysis, said that the human genetic material was to be expected given that people were shopping and working there and that human Covid cases had been linked to the market.
Dr. Goldstein, too, cautioned that “we don’t have an infected animal, and we can’t prove definitively there was an infected animal at that stall.” Genetic material from the virus is stable enough, he said, that it is not clear when exactly it was deposited at the market. He said that the team was still analyzing the data and that it had not intended for its analysis to become public before it had released a report.
“But,” he said, “given that the animals that were present in the market were not sampled at the time, this is as good as we can hope to get.”"
Again, for a period of time it was NOT recommended. What part of that is confusing for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
not recommended by who? And what was the specific message? And how quickly did the CDC respond to the conflicting information?Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
There were periods of time very early on the WHO for example recommended pregnant women not get the Moderna shot, but that was amended rather quickly.
The internet, if you search long enough, will send you down a rabbit hole of misinformation, or conflicting information. But the health industry as a whole, advocated for the vaccine consistently, and often.
I love the search you did as well, and the IMMEDIATE response below it states:
Ultimately brett, the lesson, as usual, is when reviewing data, consider all data points, not outliers, when formulating an overall opinion. You are not able to grasp this (the 97% of climate scientist opinion for example), but when you read data, you have to do it holistically, and not from an outlier perspective.Quote:
No, the vaccine is encouraged for all pregnant women, including women who are over 40 and expecting. pregnancy? The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines do not contain COVID-19 mRNA that would affect pregnancy.
You live in a world of outliers......
That's what you get when Brett flashes his Greendale Community College education.
Yeah, that **** cracked me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
I see looking at dates is a struggle for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
Oh well.
From what I found it appears April 23, 2021 was the first recommendation by the CDC.
funny enough, if you read the whole story they actually call this out.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
We also know misinformation from the middle of that year to close the year costs many pregnant women their lives.
Long story short, the politicization of the disease cost more pregnant women their lives than if they had just followed guidelines.
Funny how you can't admit to being wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye15
I’m embarrassed for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
I'm sure his family feel the same way
https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-fl...150016558.html
Florida and their AG hid the data that showed COVID increases your chances of heart conditions way more than the vaccine.
They lied to everyone to push their agenda.
They want their voters to think that the vaccine and not COVID causes heart problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Color me shocked!Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
And that is funny why exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Let nothing stop you from being the continual dipshit you've always been I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Why lie to people in Florida for something that has shown to be overly beneficial to stopping people from dying? Could it be more of his stupid culture war. Nah, never. Good thing he has people like you to bootlick for him though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Whatever you have definitely wasn’t caused by COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Being a dumbass is something he certainly accomplished all on his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by valade16
I’ve never gotten any of the stupid vaccine and I haven’t been sick at allQuote:
Originally Posted by valade16
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
And this matters how exactly? There's been a 104 million confirmed cases in the US of COVID and nearly 800,000,000 cases worldwide. Your anecdotal account doesn't mean ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
My hero :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
But the plural of anecdote is data...oh wait sorry it's literally not...Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
tOxIc pOlItIcAl eNvIrOnMeNt
The apathy mixed with bipolar attitude shifting is strong in Brewers. Not to mention, the outright stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
He's never had COVID so all the people who did contract COVID and have heart related issues are irrelevant. Oh and its completely okay for DeSantis and his surgeon general to forge data saying the vaccine risks outweighed its benefits.
....but the vaccine is super scary and infringes on my freedom!Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ccine-00093510
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo personally altered a state-driven study about Covid-19 vaccines last year to suggest that some doses pose a significantly higher health risk for young men than had been established by the broader medical community, according to a newly obtained document.
Ladapo’s changes, released as part of a public records request, presented the risks of cardiac death to be more severe than previous versions of the study. He later used the final document in October to bolster disputed claims that Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were dangerous to young men.
The surgeon general, a well-known Covid-19 vaccine skeptic, faced a backlash from the medical community after he made the assertions, which go against guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and American Academy of Pediatrics. But Ladapo’s statements aligned well with Gov. Ron DeSantis’ stance against mandatory Covid-19 vaccination.
Researchers with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and University of Florida, who viewed Ladapo’s edits on the study and have followed the issue closely, criticized the surgeon general for making the changes. One said it appears Ladapo altered the study out of political — not scientific — concerns.
“I think it’s a lie,” Matt Hitchings, an assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Florida, said of Ladapo’s assertion that the Covid-19 vaccine causes cardiac death in young men. “To say this — based on what we’ve seen, and how this analysis was made — it’s a lie.”
Thoughts?
If the edits were illegal, prosecute fully.
One issue is that lying about, embellishing, or otherwise editing information may not be illegal. Regardless, it is highly immoral and detrimental to the well being of the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Again, if illegal, prosecute. If it's a matter of opinion then there is debate. If it's a lie but yet not illegal, two things, tighten the laws and vote appropriately.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyyfan555
Then there's that whole gray area of how this type of information manipulation leads to the death of others. Hard to draw a direct line between the two, but not hard to see a connection. By dissuading others from taking advice from the majority of the medical community, and by doing so with edits to existing information, he is hurting the lives of citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Maybe yes, maybe no. The majority opinion does not make one right automatically in any situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyyfan555
They still have an obligation to share accurate information based on their findings from research and evidence. It's not about being 100% right or wrong. It's about sharing the information gathered from scientific evidence. Taking that information and altering it to fit the political whims of a fascist (desantis) is not okay. Whether or not there are small amounts of conspiracy theorists really doesn't matter. A podcaster can say whatever they want and can keep their job. Someone in the position of the surgeon general should lose their license for something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Of course you can't resist an attack at the Governor of Florida (it's all you have really, attack, attack)Quote:
Originally Posted by nyyfan555
If nothing was illegal and if it's a matter of opinion, then no, one should not lose their job. We aren't firing folks for ignoring the dangers of the vaccine (they are small) or the origination of the vaccine or the lack of innovation by the current administration.
Who has ignored the actual, documented risks of the vaccine? Sources please.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Should government officials share public health information in an opinionated fashion, such as an opinion podcast or cable network show? Or should they share information that is as accurate as the evidence and science says?
Also, if you view what I said as an attack, then you need to detach from the unhealthy personal connection you've created with republicans. I'm stating facts. If they bother you, that's something you should examine with a mental health professional.