How am I arguing with myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
I think spliff is rubbing off on you, lol..
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How am I arguing with myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
I think spliff is rubbing off on you, lol..
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So what is your actual stance then? Because you obviously know that the spread is crazy. And you constantly say how you were talking in February about restrictions. I think it's fairly obvious that allowing for these things like sports, religious worship, parties, etc, etc are still driving the spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
So what I'm asking is do you think the spread has been mitigated?
Restrictions are way tighter with sports than with churches. You probably know that, yet continue to makes these phony *** comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
I wasn't allowed to attend a single San Francisco Giants game for the entirety of the 2020 season but I was very grateful I had the option to watch all of their games on television. Whereas, churchgoers have both the option to watch online or attend in person while (hopefully) following local pandemic guidelines.
Next.
So what if they are open in other places? I agree it does depend on doing it safely which is exactly what the order is for... safety. Churches wanted special treatment in this area and fought the order placed on businesses. They are asking to be treated differently in this area and you have been supporting/defending this stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
Agreed it doesn't care about your opinion or ignorance which means your feelings on religion being important to you are irrelevant to the experts coming together with these restrictions. You are saying your feelings on the topic are more important than expert healthcare opinion and that churches shouldn't be held to the same standards as other similar things.
So why do you keep pushing for special treatment or supporting this approach if it isn't just your opinion about your social activity being more important than everyone elses? You haven't given a logical reason for said special treatment and have ignored people posting things from health experts, common sense about differences in certain businesses etc.
Because YOU proposed the idea of shutting down the grocery stores. And then, YOU are arguing about why we can't shut them down. Try to keep up and lay off the bong for a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
Justice Sotomayor (dissenting)
“Justices of this Court play a deadly game in second guessing the expert judgment of health officials about the environments in which a contagious virus, now infecting a million Americans each week, spreads most easily... Free religious exercise is one of our most treasured and jealously guarded constitutional rights. States may not discriminate against religious institutions, even when faced with a crisis as deadly as this one. But those principles are not at stake today. The Constitution does not forbid States from responding to public health crises through regulations that treat religious institutions equally or more favorably than comparable secular institutions, particularly when those regulations save lives. Because New York’s COVID– 19 restrictions do just that, I respectfully dissent.”
Me too.
My stance is that our government should take control and develop an actual response and guidelines for us to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
We should have a national pandemic response plan.
No the spread has not been mitigated. Banning church isnt going to change that.
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People did attend those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
Next.
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I am not sure about bars, restaurants can have up to 25% capacity I believe but that is different than a church gathering for many reasons. I think it was linked just above but will share the link again here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiteWolf
https://bgr.com/2020/09/20/coronavir...ovid-19-study/
We are talking about activities that are likely to create spread here, something like concerts and movie theaters and sporting events where large groups may be gathering together is a better comparison due to this. I would agree that a % with a maximum amount allowed may be better than just a total number (depending on size/distancing capabilities) but that isn't really specific to religion/church it would be an issue with the order placed in general. The restrictions on Churches fall in line with other activities closer suited to what happens there which will be different than other businesses without the same risk factors.
As was covered churches are placed in a category based on what they provide and the risk it poses. They are fighting to be treated like different things such as places that provide food or Nasty used school as an example (although a school in NY was moved to all remote with no one claiming its against the constitution).
WhoTF is banning church?Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
So you said and I quote "if we can mitigate spread we are ok, if we can't we aren't." And you admit that the spread has not been mitigated. I feel like this is NIMBY to the fullest.Quote:
Originally Posted by nastynice
I have supported and defended the stance that if churches operate safely with distances they should be allowed to open. You and everyone else here is saying they shouldn't. Me and sitewolf are holding them to the same standard as any other business, you guys are asking for special statis for churches to be given no option to remain open regardless of what safety precautions they implement.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
Think about it.
Again, somehow you guys are not understanding plain and simple English. It's the atheist effect. It got Richard dawkins and itll get you if you're not careful. It is very simple, if a place can safely stay open, they should be afforded that opportunity. Every single business and entity in america is approached as such, there is no reason to exclude churches from this approach.
You comprehend what I am saying, right? I am saying everything should based off of science and stats, not some stupid atheist agenda.
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Haha, I proposed the idea of shutting down grocery stores in a sarcastic manner to illustrate how stupid your argument is.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_noodles
I didnt say it seriously! [emoji23]
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Read this thread buddy..Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
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I guess that's me... If we're shutting down everything that is non-essential, they should be on the list of non-essential things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash