COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by The20thK

yeah I could see that happening if you're right about the mass vax doses being abandoned.

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You seem pretty casual about it. You understand how unethical it is to do that?? That is essentially running a medical experiment on someone without their knowledge of it.

Would you not mind if your mother was given a drug, which you obviously assumed to be fully approved, just to find out that it was actually in phase 3 clinical trial? And especially if she experiences a serious side effect?

This is what I mean. How do you work in health care, yet you're somehow not picking up on this?

That's an effect of politics, imo.

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Seems as though this is the type of news source most of PSD's outspoken Republicans (no, not you SiteWolf) gleefully gobble up and then regurgitate here.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

You seem pretty casual about it. You understand how unethical it is to do that?? That is essentially running a medical experiment on someone without their knowledge of it.

Would you not mind if your mother was given a drug, which you obviously assumed to be fully approved, just to find out that it was actually in phase 3 clinical trial? And especially if she experiences a serious side effect?

This is what I mean. How do you work in health care, yet you're somehow not picking up on this?

That's an effect of politics, imo.

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I think you're exaggerating, and quite frankly making up, the scenario in your own mind and then being outraged by it.

I don't get excited about scenarios you're making up.

And you said Phase 3 hybrid, I took that as Phase three was complete and we were moving to a new phase.

The simple fact of the matter is that I don't believe that those doctors will rush the vax through. it'll either be ready or it wont. What will be rushed is the doses, and the redtape. I'm good with that.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

Seems as though this is the type of news source most of PSD's outspoken Republicans (no, not you SiteWolf) gleefully gobble up and then regurgitate here.

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yeah I wouldn't call it selfish. She's wrong about that because it insinuates motive. Ignorant? Fearful? those would be better ways to describe those wanting to keep everything shut down.

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Originally Posted by The20thK

I think you're exaggerating, and quite frankly making up, the scenario in your own mind and then being outraged by it.

I don't get excited about scenarios you're making up.

And you said Phase 3 hybrid, I took that as Phase three was complete and we were moving to a new phase.

The simple fact of the matter is that I don't believe that those doctors will rush the vax through. it'll either be ready or it wont. What will be rushed is the doses, and the redtape. I'm good with that.

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lol, no, I'm annoyingly confused by what seems to be clearly dismissing issues to show favor toward your political party's stance.

But yea I guess the hybrid made it confusing, my bad.

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Originally Posted by The20thK

yeah I wouldn't call it selfish. She's wrong about that because it insinuates motive. Ignorant? Fearful? those would be better ways to describe those wanting to keep everything shut down.

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Who wants to keep things shut down? Doesnt everyone want things open but with masks and distance etc?

This should have been mapped out by the govt since April. I dont think they even got it mapped out yet.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

lol, no, I'm annoyingly confused by what seems to be clearly dismissing issues to show favor toward your political party's stance.

But yea I guess the hybrid made it confusing, my bad.

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We are both operating from a different set of "facts/opinions".

You believe that PDT is rushing this through so he can get re-elected. Surely you see this an opinion, since you couldn't possibly know that for sure?

I believe that PDT is rushing the redtape process through, and the doctors are doing exactly what they've always done (except with money that has been granted to them to get this prioritized) and that they wont put it out until it is ready.

That's not my opinion. Its literally what has been stated... you just choose not to believe it. But if you choose not to believe it, then it is incumbent upon you to prove that they're lying. Which you haven't done, nor could you until it happens.

So don't talk as if your opinion is fact. You claim I am using my bias... no I'm believing what has been said until it is proven otherwise. You on the other hand are using your bias to deny the claims without any evidence other than 'i dont like/trust him"... youre gonna need more than that to convince me.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Who wants to keep things shut down? Doesnt everyone want things open but with masks and distance etc?

This should have been mapped out by the govt since April. I dont think they even got it mapped out yet.

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Pretty sure it the left that wants schools closed still

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Originally Posted by The20thK

We are both operating from a different set of "facts/opinions".

You believe that PDT is rushing this through so he can get re-elected. Surely you see this an opinion, since you couldn't possibly know that for sure?

I believe that PDT is rushing the redtape process through, and the doctors are doing exactly what they've always done (except with money that has been granted to them to get this prioritized) and that they wont put it out until it is ready.

That's not my opinion. Its literally what has been stated... you just choose not to believe it. But if you choose not to believe it, then it is incumbent upon you to prove that they're lying. Which you haven't done, nor could you until it happens.

So don't talk as if your opinion is fact. You claim I am using my bias... no I'm believing what has been said until it is proven otherwise. You on the other hand are using your bias to deny the claims without any evidence other than 'i dont like/trust him"... youre gonna need more than that to convince me.

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I think PDT did what he could do to get a vaccine out to the public before election, ok, that's politics. I think the safety net here is the actual drug companies themself.

See, I dont know who is in charge of cutting the red tape, if its PDT then we are SOL. Because he has no clue what the **** hes doing.

So if PDT is the red tape cutter, a vaccine passing the red tape potentially doesnt hold much weight does it?

That's why I said I'd just go by the accepted science. Probably we can trust the WHO.

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Originally Posted by The20thK

Pretty sure it the left that wants schools closed still

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Well that's a tough call. I feel universities did open up and they all kept having spread issues.

Maybe stricter protocol?

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Well that's a tough call. I feel universities did open up and they all kept having spread issues.

Maybe stricter protocol?

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You asked who wants to keep thigs shut down. I only answered.

Many are calling for shut downs right now, including DiBlasio in NYC.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Just love the drawn-out semantic gymnastics you perform in order to accomplish absolutely nothing.

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no gymnastics except for your drivel.

do you think everyone exposed to covid19 will actually get covid19?

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

no gymnastics except for your drivel.

do you think everyone exposed to covid19 will actually get covid19?

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So you think that there is out there somewhere literally a “sea of covid-infested water?”

Figurative language and imagery are intended to convey a message. Her message was clear to anyone (on the right or left) who has and uses a moderately functioning brain.

Isn't that a Simon and Garfunkel song? 'Like a bridge over virus-infested water...I will swim across' or something like that, I don't know I wasn't paying attention

Even 'I would take a bullet for that man' is said by someone who'd be wearing a vest...

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Originally Posted by The20thK

You asked who wants to keep thigs shut down. I only answered.

Many are calling for shut downs right now, including DiBlasio in NYC.

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Brother, what a stupid response. Obviously certain high traffic things have to stay shut down like schools, pro sports events, concerts, etc.

These have to have very strict protocol in place to even think about opening up or else they will be little super spreader pockets.

Cmon man. Look alive!

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