Wait, so the economy is worth more than the lives of thousands and thousands of our citizens? This is nothing like the flu. Have you had anyone in your life affected by this? I have and I don’t wish it upon anyone. Imagine having someone you love go into the hospital to be checked and you never get to see that person again. Can’t wait for you or FNK or Sluggo try to tell me you all coincidentally disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
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What people want and what people need aren't generally one and the same. This is financially tough on most everyone but it's not something we can't bounce back from. Give me another half year or year of this **** if that's what it takes; I'm not trippin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
I'd rather take the measured and safe approach than just say "**** it" and hope for the best.
He’s pro-life bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
Please tell me where I said “**** it” and hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
There’s ways you can keep the economy open and take precaution against this. Keep the elderly people at home (especially the retired people)
Nursing homes only allow people in if they’ve been tested (15 min rapid testing) or temperatures taken. Allow a time period where they can go to the grocery store. Sometime in the morning.
Protect the most vulnerable while not destroying the economy.
Im not saying open up beaches or have concerts and packed stadiums. But there’s a reasonable approach you can take to protect the elderly and keep people working.
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I have not but I can tell you shutting down areas that have like 5 cases the entire time in a wide area is beyond stupid. You can’t shut down entire states with little cases and widespread area with very little population. I’m not saying open everything up but I think there’s more reasonable steps that can be taken other than shutting down everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez
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Which is going to blow your mind more: the definition of “asymptomatic”, the fact that grocery stores are not boarded up like a Walking Dead scene (we can excuse this as one of your reliable strawman deflections in retreat), or the fact that the nature of a pandemic is such that the vulnerable you’re pretending to care about here are made more vulnerable by the way you treat those that aren’t?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Please don’t take his word for me wanting to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
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I know people who were affected by the virus, both by getting sick and as a repercussion of NY shutting down. My neighbor got it, my uncle got it, I had distant relatives die from it, mom’s uncle has it, sisters coworker died from it, and there’s probably more that I haven’t heard of yet.
On the other hand, I’ve been laid off, don’t qualify for a stimulus check, have been blowing through my savings, and have a lot of friends in my age group doing the same. I know essential workers who are getting sick and making less money than those getting unemployment, and I know people who do qualify for unemployment/the stimulus check but got neither and as a result, are also blowing through their savings.
People need money and need to be paid adequately to get by. All of what I’m saying is very true and I bet all of you guys know people on both sides of the spectrum who are affected by this but that doesn’t mean it’s a testament to open up the country, it means the government should be doing more for its citizens to make sure that their quality of life doesn’t dramatically decrease.
It’s easy for people to say that $1200 is enough or that people are selfish for wanting to go back to work/reopen the economy but the people who say that are typically in a position of privilege where they don’t need to worry about these things.
I mean just think about it, people are willing to sacrifice lives just so they can go back to their ****** job because otherwise, they’re going to go broke. That’s some dystopian kind of **** right there.
According to most people who are qualified to have an opinion we need greater testing and contact tracing abilities to safely do want you are asking for in most areas. If we can do it safely sure but I don’t think we should do it based on you or Trumps instinctsQuote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
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Sorry for your losses. The virus sucks. It’s destroyed a lot of people’s life like you laid out. I just personally think that there’s ways to open the economy back up while having strict protections in place. I think shutting everything down is going to do more harm in the long run than this virus and this isn’t to undermine it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zmaster52
We know who the most vulnerable people and areas are. We know who it affects the most. Let’s protect them but also understand that less density areas should reopen. There’s many parts of WI for example that literally have less than 5-10 people in the hospital from it. Why should these areas be forced to completely be shut down and have many people lose their business and employment? Obviously it can spread but it’s less likely to spread in cities with less population/density than cities like NYC, Chicago, Detroit.
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Except that these experts said yesterday that there’s enough testing for states to go into phase one as soon as today...Quote:
Originally Posted by ewing
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Exactly. There’s also huge financial impact when you just ignore the problem and allow for wide swaths of people to just die or get very ill.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)
Brewers this is nothing like the flu (especially from a death rate perspective). We’re two months in on this virus in the US and it would still be getting exponentially worse without the drastic measures.
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That’s the same reactive thinking that allowed this to get out of hand in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewersfan255
Waiting until you get too many cases and can’t control things is not the way to go.
People should be taken care of. Many other nations are giving people that can’t work because of the shut down things like 80% of their salaries as long as this goes on. Yes it’s expensive, but there are still groups
That are making money. They can help subsidize this short term with temporary higher tax rates.
We aren’t ready yet to combat this thing with a functioning economy.
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While I think some businesses should have been given the chance to remain open and operate within CDC guidelines for handling their business, I'll point to Maryland at least and say that they recommended people stay home early on. Until we got this stay at home order, people were still going out and about on their daily routine. Delaware had to implement the same stay at home order after people came to their beach homes fleeing other stay at home orders. Now we have a state-wide order mandating masks in all open businesses and we aren't four hours in and social media is lighting up about the amount of people who aren't complying.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeW-Star
If we could rely on people to stay at home and use common sense, I doubt that so many businesses would be closed right now. But I'm sure it's the same in other areas- too many people were still out doing their routine and not taking precautions, so they had to shut it down.
When all is said and done, I’m guessing that of the so-called developed countries, the US will end up being the hardest hit by this pandemic — in a number of ways.
I suppose we can only hope that going forward we will have learned something from the experience because I think we all know this will not be the last serious challenge of this nature we will encounter.