COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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10-10-2021, 11:00 AM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by metswon69

No, its not my job to specific. You need to know that there are varying degrees of any illness in its intensity or effect on the immune system. That's common sense. There are plenty of diseases that could be deadly but aren't if treated properly or caught early enough. What are the odds you're surviving those things if you catch a significant case of COVID?

But that's not the conversation. You're defending listing deaths as covid regardless of the preexisting circumstances. Among those deaths being listed as covid are people who had advanced stage cancer and were dying. That's all I was pointing out. Sure...take your covid listing for someone that had treatable renal issues but not for someone that was already in the process of dying. This isn't that complicated.
10-10-2021, 11:06 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

But that's not the conversation. You're defending listing deaths as covid regardless of the preexisting circumstances. Among those deaths being listed as covid are people who had advanced stage cancer and were dying. That's all I was pointing out. Sure...take your covid listing for someone that had treatable renal issues but not for someone that was already in the process of dying. This isn't that complicated.

Again spending time looking for words that aren't there. No, I'm saying there are deaths people wouldn't attribute to COVID because of a more serious underlying condition that absolutely is COVID related. Just because you have cancer, heart disease, kidney disease, some immunodeficiency disorder, etc doesn't automatically mean you're going to die. COVID in conjunction with those health issues absolutely play a part in someone's mortality but people are quick to say those people were going to die anyways.
10-10-2021, 11:40 AM
DeW-Star

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

But that's not the conversation. You're defending listing deaths as covid regardless of the preexisting circumstances. Among those deaths being listed as covid are people who had advanced stage cancer and were dying. That's all I was pointing out. Sure...take your covid listing for someone that had treatable renal issues but not for someone that was already in the process of dying. This isn't that complicated.

It’s funny how we prove conservative misinformation wrong over and over again. Then you’ll rotate to the next misinformation that we’ll disprove and then eventually you all will rotate back to this BS Qanon nonsense.

No, there was not a large scale miscategorization of all deaths as Covid deaths. You can usually tell what the death was related to, even if there were co morbidities that help contribute to it. If someone has stage 4 brain cancer and they die because of lung failure from Covid it still makes sense for it to be a Covid death.

We’re there some mistakes or small scale events? Sure, but like with voter fraud, nothing worth a damn. And as mentioned earlier excess deaths that have occurred since Covid started make it much more likely there are way more undercounting going on to COVID deaths.

Here’s the requisite article that brewers and 90% of his ilk will not read through. Because of course they don’t actually care if what they spout is truthful.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...are-inflated1/

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10-10-2021, 11:42 AM
dbroncos78087

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Not necessarily. If you have cancer isn't there a chance you can survive it without a significant comorbidity like COVID? Yes so that should fall under a COVID related death. There are things you can potentially live through where COVID ends those chances of surviving or plays a significant role in conjunction with whatever conditions you may already have.

Remember! It’s not the gun shot that kills people. It’s the loss of blood or organ damage. Why would you want to count gun shot as the cause of death?
10-10-2021, 11:56 AM
natepro

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

If covid accelerated someone dying, it absolutely should not be listed as the cause of the death. That person was already dying before covid became part of the equation.

Sure, the bus that ran him over accelerated his dying, but he had late-stage cancer so that's what really killed him!

You're being completely nonsensical. If a person would have lived longer had they not contacted COVID, then that is one of their causes of death. It's not that complicated.
10-10-2021, 11:57 AM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by DeW-Star

It’s funny how we prove conservative misinformation wrong over and over again. Then you’ll rotate to the next misinformation that we’ll disprove and then eventually you all will rotate back to this BS Qanon nonsense.

No, there was not a large scale miscategorization of all deaths as Covid deaths. You can usually tell what the death was related to, even if there were co morbidities that help contribute to it. If someone has stage 4 brain cancer and they die because of lung failure from Covid it still makes sense for it to be a Covid death.

We’re there some mistakes or small scale events? Sure, but like with voter fraud, nothing worth a damn. And as mentioned earlier excess deaths that have occurred since Covid started make it much more likely there are way more undercounting going on to COVID deaths.

Here’s the requisite article that brewers and 90% of his ilk will not read through. Because of course they don’t actually care if what they spout is truthful.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...are-inflated1/

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Speaking of putting words in mouths.
10-10-2021, 11:57 AM
ewing

COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

They should get vaccinated, but any medical breakthrough or treatment that will help people survive once they have covid is a good thing and we should celebrate them.

Seat Belts save lives, but if someone is in a car accident without a seat belt, should doctors and nurses not treat them?

BTW why shouldn't I worry about breakthrough cases? The Vaccine doesn't last, we know that now. What can I personally do to protect myself? I already got vax'd if taking some aspirin every day helps, why not?

People don’t say you can’t and shouldn’t take other precautions. You are debating with yourself

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10-10-2021, 11:59 AM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

Remember! It’s not the gun shot that kills people. It’s the loss of blood or organ damage. Why would you want to count gun shot as the cause of death?

Looky there. The misinformation idiot popping in with another idiotic take.
10-10-2021, 12:10 PM
DeW-Star

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Speaking of putting words in mouths.

I meant to say they’ll instead of you’ll because that part is meant for Brewers who typically comes in with this. But go ahead now that you’re not worried about words in mouth, feel free to actually address the topic with what I provided.

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10-10-2021, 12:14 PM
metswon69
10-10-2021, 12:15 PM
natepro

Monoclonal antibodies grow on trees, everyone knows that.
10-10-2021, 01:35 PM
spliff(TONE)

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

False. There’s been reported cases of much more than that

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10-10-2021, 01:40 PM
spliff(TONE)

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Looky there. The misinformation idiot popping in with another idiotic take.

What did he do to you? You seem very hurt and every new post of his sends you in to another tailspin.
10-10-2021, 02:01 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

So someone dies of a heart attack (which happens every single day) and they tested positive for Covid they were considered a “Covid death” when we have no idea if Covid actually killed them or not. That’s what happened early in the process

Ah, so it’s only the 600,000+ deaths since then are legitimate. I guess it’s not that serious.
10-10-2021, 02:02 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

If covid accelerated someone dying, it absolutely should not be listed as the cause of the death. That person was already dying before covid became part of the equation.

If someone is dying and I shoot them should it count as murder? I mean, they were already gonna die anyway right?