COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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10-10-2021, 10:19 AM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Stop trying to equate the negative effects of COVID to the negative effects of the vaccine. Just because you don't want to be vaccinated doesn't mean its benefits far outweigh its potential risks. If COVID accelerated or was a significant factor in someone dying its a COVID related death.

If covid accelerated someone dying, it absolutely should not be listed as the cause of the death. That person was already dying before covid became part of the equation.
10-10-2021, 10:21 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

If covid accelerated someone dying, it absolutely should not be listed as the cause of the death. That person was already dying before covid became part of the equation.

Not necessarily. If you have cancer isn't there a chance you can survive it without a significant comorbidity like COVID? Yes so that should fall under a COVID related death. There are things you can potentially live through where COVID ends those chances of surviving or plays a significant role in conjunction with whatever conditions you may already have.
10-10-2021, 10:35 AM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

There have been 8,390 reported deaths to VAERS. And unlike COVID deaths that require a positive COVID test, all that is required for something to be reported as a death to VAERS is that someone report it. It's not hard to go onto the site and report false information.

Do you believe that people have died from the vaccine? Yes or no.
10-10-2021, 10:36 AM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Not necessarily. If you have cancer isn't there a chance you can survive it without a significant comorbidity like COVID? Yes so that should fall under a COVID related death. There are things you can potentially live through where COVID ends those chances of surviving or plays a significant role in conjunction with whatever conditions you may already have.

So a stage 4 ovarian cancer patient died from covid and not cancer? Get the **** out of here with that crock of ****.
10-10-2021, 10:40 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

So a stage 4 ovarian cancer patient died from covid and not cancer? Get the **** out of here with that crock of ****.

Who said end stage cancer? You do realize that early onset cancers compromise the immune system as well, right? How about kidney disease? There are a host of other conditions that in and of themselves are not necessarily a death sentence that COVID has taken the lives of or been a contributing factor.

Spend less time looking for words that aren't there btw.
10-10-2021, 10:43 AM
ciaban2.0

This is good news. Maybe just take a tablet of baby aspirin a day, you never know when you could get a breakthrough case
10-10-2021, 10:45 AM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Who said end stage cancer? You do realize that early onset cancers compromise the immune system as well, right? How about kidney disease? There are a host of other conditions that in and of themselves are not necessarily a death sentence that COVID has taken the lives of or been a contributing factor.

Spend less time looking for words that aren't there btw.

But that's not how they've been counted. If you die with Covid in your system you get counted as another covid death.
10-10-2021, 10:45 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

This is good news. Maybe just take a tablet of baby aspirin a day, you never know when you could get a breakthrough case

You worry too much about breakthrough cases and not enough about the ones involving people who aren't vaccinated getting COVID.
10-10-2021, 10:47 AM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by metswon69

You worry too much about breakthrough cases and not enough about the ones involving people who aren't vaccinated getting COVID.

They should get vaccinated, but any medical breakthrough or treatment that will help people survive once they have covid is a good thing and we should celebrate them.

Seat Belts save lives, but if someone is in a car accident without a seat belt, should doctors and nurses not treat them?

BTW why shouldn't I worry about breakthrough cases? The Vaccine doesn't last, we know that now. What can I personally do to protect myself? I already got vax'd if taking some aspirin every day helps, why not?
10-10-2021, 10:48 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

But that's not how they've been counted. If you die with Covid in your system you get counted as another covid death.

How many of those cases do you think exist? Do you think its half or a predominant amount? I get it. This is just ways for Pfizer and Moderna's stock prices to go through the roof. Not everything has ulterior motives. The fact is many people are dying of COVID, irrespective of how you like to break it down by age. Remember 1 person nearly an hour from 20-39 since January of 2020.
10-10-2021, 10:49 AM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by metswon69

How many of those cases do you think exist? Do you think its half or a predominant amount? I get it. This is just ways for Pfizer and Moderna's stock prices to go through the roof. Not everything has ulterior motives. The fact is many people are dying of COVID, irrespective of how you like to break it down by age. Remember 1 person nearly an hour from 20-39 since January of 2020.

I think the reason for the counting of the stats the way it's been is administrative, not conspiratorial.
10-10-2021, 10:50 AM
ciaban2.0

So Iceland is outright banning Moderna.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d-vaccinations

Norway is just not recommending it.
10-10-2021, 10:51 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

They should get vaccinated, but any medical breakthrough or treatment that will help people survive once they have covid is a good thing and we should celebrate them.

Seat Belts save lives, but if someone is in a car accident without a seat belt, should doctors and nurses not treat them?

So then why bring up the breakthrough cases when the predominant amount of people getting COVID are UNVACCINATED?

As I said before, we get you don't like the vaccine and/or are more concerned about the cases in which the vaccine doesn't work. And even that's not 100% true because breakthrough cases in a lot of circumstances are a-symptomatic or less symptomatic than their non vaccinated counterparts.
10-10-2021, 10:53 AM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Who said end stage cancer? You do realize that early onset cancers compromise the immune system as well, right? How about kidney disease? There are a host of other conditions that in and of themselves are not necessarily a death sentence that COVID has taken the lives of or been a contributing factor.

Spend less time looking for words that aren't there btw.

Then be specific. You said you can survive cancer. You can't survive stage 4 ovarian cancer. Or 3a, b, c. You used cancer as a general term when saying you can survive.

I wasn't looking for words. I read what you wrote. People seem to have trouble being held accountable for their own words around here the last 2 days.
10-10-2021, 10:55 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Then be specific. You said you can survive cancer. You can't survive stage 4 ovarian cancer. Or 3a, b, c. You used cancer as a general term when saying you can survive.

I wasn't looking for words. I read what you wrote. People seem to have trouble being held accountable for their own words around here the last 2 days.

No, its not my job to specific. You need to know that there are varying degrees of any illness in its intensity or effect on the immune system. That's common sense. There are plenty of diseases that could be deadly but aren't if treated properly or caught early enough. What are the odds you're surviving those things if you catch a significant case of COVID?