COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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10-07-2021, 12:51 AM
spliff(TONE)

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

What’s more likely: teens or young adults (18-24) dying of Covid or teens or young adults dying from the flu

I guarantee you the numbers are probably pretty similar

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Guarantee....probably. :laugh2:
10-07-2021, 12:54 AM
mngopher35

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

No. I'm for more funding of police (if necessary) for better training of difficult situations which involve deescalation. I'm also for dismantling all public sector unions, especially police perhaps that's part of defunding?

But overall, yes I'm in favor of police being limited in their powers.

I thought you were consistent in thinking they cause more problems and it should be left to the people?

Sorry I actually should have said abolish the police. If you were for that then I would agree, that's consistency. Sounds like you actually want some government enforcement though so I guess the next step is finding where that line is (which is similar to the discussion on covid, finding the line).
10-07-2021, 03:06 AM
Brewersfan255

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Originally Posted by natepro

Which of these words do you not understand how to use?

Based on that analysis, what is striking is that those under the age of 15 are at significantly lower risk of death from COVID-19 than of the flu. Under our assumptions, for example, children under the age of 15 have a 1 in 155,535 chance of dying of influenza, but a 1 in 1.2 million chance of dying of COVID-19.

https://freopp.org/comparing-the-ris...e-d33a1c76c198

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10-07-2021, 03:06 AM
Brewersfan255

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

Guarantee....probably. :laugh2:

Cool. Data backs up the claim

https://freopp.org/comparing-the-ris...e-d33a1c76c198

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10-07-2021, 03:27 AM
valade16

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Based on that analysis, what is striking is that those under the age of 15 are at significantly lower risk of death from COVID-19 than of the flu. Under our assumptions, for example, children under the age of 15 have a 1 in 155,535 chance of dying of influenza, but a 1 in 1.2 million chance of dying of COVID-19.

https://freopp.org/comparing-the-ris...e-d33a1c76c198

Yes, the flu kills more children than Covid. What is your point?

EDIT: Over 140,000 children in the US have lost a caregiver to Covid:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/over-140-0...040108494.html

Seems like Covid is negatively affecting kids even if it’s not killing them.
10-07-2021, 06:04 AM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by metswon69

What do you think is more common? Young people dying of COVID or young people dying from side effects of the vaccine? Because I hate to break your narrative but its far and away the former. You're trying to make them relatively equal platitudes and they're not. We know the vaccine has side effects and is not always effective. Why do people keep trying to hit that point home so often?

The issue of Moderna and Pfizer causing myocarditis is not new news. It's happening in a fraction of cases where most instances are mild. A couple of countries halting a version based on previous knowledge doesn't necessarily mean it will happen across the board or its anything more significant than what the science has shown. They halted the J&J vaccine earlier this year for a couple of weeks before resuming its use.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ger-age-groups

As I said before, nothing we haven't already seen.

To answer your question, if we're being 100% honest the odds of a young person dying from myocarditas isn't much lower than the odds of them dying from covid. We've had a total of 400 people age 18< die from Covid out of 700k thats basically nothing. Its a rounding error.
You seriously need to stop conflating risk groups between ages as if they're similar, more kids die from the flu every year than die from Covid.
The odds that someone else gets myocarditis from covid is 1/10k after the first dose and 1/6k after the second, what are the odds of them dying from covid.

This is why some are suggesting that kids shouldn't take more than one dose. Because the odds of getting it after the second dose are higher than the odds of negative covid side effects for that age range.
10-07-2021, 06:05 AM
ciaban2.0

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Originally Posted by valade16

Yes, the flu kills more children than Covid. What is your point?

EDIT: Over 140,000 children in the US have lost a caregiver to Covid:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/over-140-0...040108494.html

Seems like Covid is negatively affecting kids even if it’s not killing them.

That's not a reason for kids to take a risk with heart trouble, that's a reason for adults to get a covid shot.
10-07-2021, 08:34 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

To answer your question, if we're being 100% honest the odds of a young person dying from myocarditas isn't much lower than the odds of them dying from covid. We've had a total of 400 people age 18< die from Covid out of 700k thats basically nothing. Its a rounding error.
You seriously need to stop conflating risk groups between ages as if they're similar, more kids die from the flu every year than die from Covid.
The odds that someone else gets myocarditis from covid is 1/10k after the first dose and 1/6k after the second, what are the odds of them dying from covid.

This is why some are suggesting that kids shouldn't take more than one dose. Because the odds of getting it after the second dose are higher than the odds of negative covid side effects for that age range.

Young people in what demographic? Because you could presumably call anyone under the age of 30, young. Even 35. I'm not talking about 0-17 year olds. Don't you think 14,000 deaths in age groups from 18-39 is fairly high? That's not an age group in which people should be dying of a virus. It's nearly one person an hour dying from COVID amongst people that age if you track the virus back to January of 2020.

The vaccine is not killing one person per hour. I'd bet you all of my bitcoin that's not close to the case.

So you need to stop equating that the vaccine is nearly as dangerous as the virus. It's not. We get it. You don't like COVID vaccines. You've made that point.
10-07-2021, 10:58 AM
dbroncos78087

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Originally Posted by valade16

Yes, the flu kills more children than Covid. What is your point?

EDIT: Over 140,000 children in the US have lost a caregiver to Covid:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/over-140-0...040108494.html

Seems like Covid is negatively affecting kids even if it’s not killing them.

I like how they present "____ kills more than COVID" and use it to present a reason to not do something rather than to present a plan to stop that other thing.
10-07-2021, 11:48 AM
DeW-Star

Also only comparing death from the virus to a side effect from the vaccine. And not death plus similar side effects resulting from the virus to a vaccine.

Also would need to extract this out to things fully open and no preventative measures as we’ll eventually get to which would ramp up likelihood of infection and impacts that or reactively taken drugs (or none at all which would likely have a worse outcome) may have.

These comparisons are so elementary and worthless to be honest. It’s clear even young people should take a vaccine still. If there’s ones with less of a rate of side effects available, they should take those instead.

I’m sure all recommendations would still be take Moderna over no vaccine at all.

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10-07-2021, 12:49 PM
OceanSpray

Just putting it out there, deaths by obesity in America is over 300,000. Deaths by tobacco is also significantly high every year. If we are to be talking about health concerns, I believe these two also need to be addressed and should have been addressed a long time ago even pre-COVID. The actual death count is also much higher considering the only reason many of these individuals are doing better is because they are getting insane medical care that plagues the system. $ that could have gone elsewhere are being used to treat these obesity-related issues. Probably 500,000+ deaths wouldn't be a far estimate.
10-07-2021, 01:19 PM
natepro

Great in theory, but as soon as anyone tries to address the multiple underlying causes of our obesity problems, people are going to chant "personal responsibility" and call it socialism and talk about homeless vets they don't otherwise give a **** about, and they'll make sure nothing fundamentally changes.
10-07-2021, 01:22 PM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by natepro

Great in theory, but as soon as anyone tries to address the multiple underlying causes of our obesity problems, people are going to chant "personal responsibility" and call it socialism and talk about homeless vets they don't otherwise give a **** about, and they'll make sure nothing fundamentally changes.

Or people could stop smoking and stop eating fastfood every day for lunch and dinner. That would absolutely create some fundamental changes.
10-07-2021, 01:26 PM
natepro

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Or people could stop smoking and stop eating fastfood every day for lunch and dinner. That would absolutely create some fundamental changes.

Yes, you've made your ignorance known.
10-07-2021, 01:30 PM
dbroncsinmo

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Originally Posted by natepro

Yes, you've made your ignorance known.

Says the guy that thinks 43% of Americans are obese because of food deserts.