COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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10-06-2021, 03:22 PM
natepro

But I was told if Joe Biden just said pretty please then they would get it!
10-06-2021, 03:25 PM
joeyc77

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

So are you for defunding the police and limiting the ability of our government to force obedience and have power over people in the name of safety/security?

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No. I'm for more funding of police (if necessary) for better training of difficult situations which involve deescalation. I'm also for dismantling all public sector unions, especially police perhaps that's part of defunding?

But overall, yes I'm in favor of police being limited in their powers.
10-06-2021, 03:50 PM
dbroncos78087

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

No. I'm for more funding of police (if necessary) for better training of difficult situations which involve deescalation. I'm also for dismantling all public sector unions, especially police perhaps that's part of defunding?

But overall, yes I'm in favor of police being limited in their powers.

More funding for social programs will yield far better results than more funding for the police ever could.
10-06-2021, 04:11 PM
brett05

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

More funding for social programs will yield far better results than more funding for the police ever could.

Any evidence of that?
10-06-2021, 04:22 PM
natepro

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Originally Posted by brett05

Any evidence of that?

It worked in St. Louis, until it came time to keep paying for it.
10-06-2021, 04:42 PM
brett05

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Originally Posted by natepro

It worked in St. Louis, until it came time to keep paying for it.

I like the program that was used. It doesn't address dbroncos statement but I would be in favor of these types of programs in say cities of ....oh I don't know...25,000 or more? 50,000 or more?
10-06-2021, 05:03 PM
joeyc77

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Originally Posted by valade16

No one has brought up party affiliation as a reasoning for anything so it seems your approach is heavily dependent on party partisan politics.

Well if that’s your belief then the current situation directly contradicts it no? The issue is getting everyone vaccinated. Leaving it to the people will not solve it.

So what do you believe the people should do to get everyone vaccinated?

It seems to me the people who are were against government overreach in previous years post 9/11 are now strongly supporting it under a different administration.
10-06-2021, 05:05 PM
natepro

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

It seems to me the people who are were against government overreach in previous years post 9/11 are now strongly supporting it under a different administration.

It's almost like, one, not all government activity is "government overreach," and two, different situations call for different approaches.
10-06-2021, 05:06 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

It seems to me the people who are were against government overreach in previous years post 9/11 are now strongly supporting it under a different administration.

It seems to me there are vastly different circumstances and context. Also, what government overreach?
10-06-2021, 05:23 PM
joeyc77

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Originally Posted by valade16

It seems to me there are vastly different circumstances and context. Also, what government overreach?

The only circumstances that are different is the party in "charge." Tragic circumstances=government intervention.
10-06-2021, 05:25 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

The only circumstances that are different is the party in "charge." Tragic circumstances=government intervention.

What a laughable statement. I can think of dozens of circumstances that are different.

The only thing tragic was this profound lack of nuance.
10-06-2021, 05:26 PM
valade16

Legally enacting vaccine mandates is TOTALLY the same thing as illegally spying on US citizens without the public’s knowledge.

Yep, NOTHING is different about those two situations :rolleyes:

Joey is trying HARD to create a false equivalency here.
10-06-2021, 05:42 PM
natepro

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

The only circumstances that are different is the party in "charge." Tragic circumstances=government intervention.

The ****?
10-06-2021, 07:36 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by valade16

Legally enacting vaccine mandates is TOTALLY the same thing as illegally spying on US citizens without the public’s knowledge.

Yep, NOTHING is different about those two situations :rolleyes:

Joey is trying HARD to create a false equivalency here.

What about has become a religion. You can’t have an opinion on anything unless you are purer then Virgin Mary

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10-06-2021, 07:37 PM
ciaban2.0

So Sweden And Denmark have banned Moderna for those 30 and under, and it's expected that Norway and Finland will follow shortly.

I actually had pretty serious heart problems a few years ago, I'm pretty glad I didn't get Moderna and got J&J instead.
I even remember the Pharmacists double-checking with me before I got the shot because of my heart condition.