COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by valade16

I agree. But Fingerbang and others want to use that as an excuse to not do anything about it. Even if we never get to 98% vaccinated, vaccines, masks, etc. have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

It’s not an excuse to do nothing.

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Well short staffing our hospitals isn't "doing nothing"...it might be worse than doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by valade16

I’d imagine states are allowing credentials from other states on a temporary basis due to Covid.

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Is that safe? They have those credentialling systems in there for a reason.

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Originally Posted by valade16

No, his Covid policy of waging a war against masks, of not doing any mitigation measures. He just made it so parents decide if their Covid positive children need to quarantine. So now a kid can have Covid and their parents can have them go to school and come into contact with all other children, and thanks to his previous rules, neither the school nor that kid’s parents are obligated to let the other parents know.

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Kid's are also the least likely to spread the disease. And I don't see how that's worse than preschools that are shutting down for 2 weeks because of a single positive case, and not allowing parents to test their own kids to show that they're in the clear.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

That's millions spread out over the whole country. Not at one hospital. And considering that in medical facilities they wear the highly effective N95 masks, not the ****** cloth masks that don't do much,
Clearly, a lot of former medical professionals are saying it doesn't matter, that's why the governor fired them.

Let's say one of this fired nurse goes and gets vax'd now, is it ok if she doesn't come back to work?

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What do actual medical organizations and doctors say on the subject? 96% of practicing doctors are vaccinated. Every major medical organization and scientific organization on earth are saying they should be vaccinated.

I’m not sure I understand your question, if one of the nurses gets vaccinated, is it ok if she doesn’t come back to work? That’s up to them right? If they don’t want to go back, we can’t exactly force them. If they want to get their old job back, I think they should be able to.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Well short staffing our hospitals isn't "doing nothing"...it might be worse than doing nothing.

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It’s not. More people have died from Florida’s do nothing policies than from California’s understaffed hospitals…

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Is that safe? They have those credentialling systems in there for a reason.

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Depends on what you think of other’s states’ credentialing procedures. I think being credentialed in another state is probably safer than not being vaccinated..

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Kid's are also the least likely to spread the disease. And I don't see how that's worse than preschools that are shutting down for 2 weeks because of a single positive case, and not allowing parents to test their own kids to show that they're in the clear.

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How many people are likely to die in your scenario vs the one I described?

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Originally Posted by valade16

Maybe not, but it’s still training. Combat medics are very knowledgeable and routinely save lives. They are qualified to step in.

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There is a lot of really specialized training in the medical field that you have to be credentialed to do, and idealy also have years of experience, my dad was an EMT when he was in the Army (he finished up like 2 decades ago so none of it is relevant at this point) he is a medical professional, and when he was on duty he did save lives.

That doesn't make him a nurse, I wouldn't want my dad working as a nurse on you in a hospital (him being fully vax'd do not make him more qualified to do that job than someone with 10 years of experience.) I sincerely hope that these emergency call-up workers and the hospitals are given some level of legal protection because were going to see medical malpractice cases go through the ****ing ROOF. Like if any medical malpractice is performed at these hospitals by one of these workers, the state of NY would foot the bill.

It wouldn't be fair to have someone who's being forced into this situation working in medical fields they aren't qualified for to be held financially responsible.

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Originally Posted by valade16

How many people are likely to die in your scenario vs the one I described?

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How many poor parents can afford to not have their kids in daycare for 2 weeks. "C'mon, Susie you're coming to work with daddy, I'm going get you a little hard hat and teach you how to drive a forklift."

Considering Kid's are the LEAST likely to suffer from complications due to Covid, and also the least likely to spread it. You're seriously harming the poor working class.
If this was the beginning of the pandemic, I would agree with you, but we know way more than we did 1.5 years ago.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

There is a lot of really specialized training in the medical field that you have to be credentialed to do, and idealy also have years of experience, my dad was an EMT when he was in the Army (he finished up like 2 decades ago so none of it is relevant at this point) he is a medical professional, and when he was on duty he did save lives.

That doesn't make him a nurse, I wouldn't want my dad working as a nurse on you in a hospital (him being fully vax'd do not make him more qualified to do that job than someone with 10 years of experience.) I sincerely hope that these emergency call-up workers and the hospitals are given some level of legal protection because were going to see medical malpractice cases go through the ****ing ROOF. Like if any medical malpractice is performed at these hospitals by one of these workers, the state of NY would foot the bill.

It wouldn't be fair to have someone who's being forced into this situation working in medical fields they aren't qualified for to be held financially responsible.

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They have a nursing Corps in the military. The call up will be nurses, combat medics and medical tech jobs in the military, and they will be doing jobs they are trained for.

Stop trying to make Soldiers out to be the bad guys here.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

How many poor parents can afford to not have their kids in daycare for 2 weeks. "C'mon, Susie you're coming to work with daddy, I'm going get you a little hard hat and teach you how to drive a forklift."

Considering Kid's are the LEAST likely to suffer from complications due to Covid, and also the least likely to spread it. You're seriously harming the poor working class.
If this was the beginning of the pandemic, I would agree with you, but we know way more than we did 1.5 years ago.

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I don’t think we do based on some of your responses. Closing the entire pre-school for a single Covid test may be overkill, but letting kids go to school with Covid and preventing the school from telling parents is almost willful spread.

It’s amazing how you guys can come up with all these sob stories for why these policies are bad as if they are worse than literally dying.

I’m sure Susie would rather go to work with her parents for two weeks than to lose one. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by valade16

Depends on what you think of other’s states’ credentialing procedures. I think being credentialed in another state is probably safer than not being vaccinated..

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Credentialing is weird, DeSantis got attacked ON HERE among other places for having his "deregulation week" which was mostly just them making interstate compacts regarding credentialing. So someone with credentials in Idaho (in w/e field) could come straight to Florida and work and they would accept the credentials (though I think you did have to apply for a state license that's like a small fee) states like NY and California don't do that.

That said, considering these nurses are wearing N95 masks which are EXTREMELY effective, I think it's safer having someone with proper credentials and years of experience treating you wile wearing an N95 mask, rather than some guy with general medical experience but not treatment specific experience treating you who doesn't have credentials but did get a shot.

Also, if your Vax'd and you believe that they're BOTH safe and effective, what do you care.

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Originally Posted by valade16

They have a nursing Corps in the military. The call up will be nurses, combat medics and medical tech jobs in the military, and they will be doing jobs they are trained for.

Stop trying to make Soldiers out to be the bad guys here.

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You mean like how nurses are the bad guys after they were the hero's last summer.

What's the line, you either die a hero or live long enough to be the villain.


I hope it works out. But you seem to be wanting to look at this through rose-colored glasses as if there is no chance that anything goes poorly.
BTW how long can they keep this up, 2 weeks, 5 months. 7 years, eventually these people were calling up are going to need to get back to their lives. This isn't a permanent solution.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Credentialing is weird, DeSantis got attacked ON HERE among other places for having his "deregulation week" which was mostly just them making interstate compacts regarding credentialing. So someone with credentials in Idaho (in w/e field) could come straight to Florida and work and they would accept the credentials (though I think you did have to apply for a state license that's like a small fee) states like NY and California don't do that.

That said, considering these nurses are wearing N95 masks which are EXTREMELY effective, I think it's safer having someone with proper credentials and years of experience treating you wile wearing an N95 mask, rather than some guy with general medical experience but not treatment specific experience treating you who doesn't have credentials but did get a shot.

Also, if your Vax'd and you believe that they're BOTH safe and effective, what do you care.

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Neat. Clearly Doctors and every medical and scientific organization do not. Between them and you, who do you think we should be listening to?

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Originally Posted by valade16

I don’t think we do based on some of your responses. Closing the entire pre-school for a single Covid test may be overkill, but letting kids go to school with Covid and preventing the school from telling parents is almost willful spread.

It’s amazing how you guys can come up with all these sob stories for why these policies are bad as if they are worse than literally dying.

I’m sure Susie would rather go to work with her parents for two weeks than to lose one. What do you think?

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If those parents are vax'd is she going to lose them? I keep being told that it's effective at preventing server and even mild covid symptoms, is that not true?

I do think that parents should know if a child at their kid's school tested positive (not the name of the kid). That way they can make an informed decision on what they believe is the best course of action.

Wait, you think it's safer to bring little Susie to a construction site for two weeks than risk Covid?