COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by flips333

1% is not a small number for epidemiological purposes.

Hopefully he's wrong and a lot more people have had it than that it just wasn't detected. And hopefully even asymptomatic infection provides a reasonable immunity to this, cause then it will all be over sooner rather than later.

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No. 1% is not a small number in that instance. However, a death rate of half a percent is pretty small man. Specifically when the contraction numbers are more than likely misrepresented on the low side, as you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

No. 1% is not a small number in that instance. However, a death rate of half a percent is pretty small man. Specifically when the contraction numbers are more than likely misrepresented on the low side, as you mentioned.

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I disagree. Largely communicable diseases don't kill much of anyone in this country. So I think it's a big deal... but it's certainly not the doom and gloom 4% that they were talking about initially. So in that way it's small.

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Originally Posted by flips333

I disagree. Largely communicable diseases don't kill much of anyone in this country. So I think it's a big deal... but it's certainly not the doom and gloom 4% that they were talking about initially. So in that way it's small.

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Well, I disagree. When talking about a sample size of 331,000,000; a death rate of half a percent is small. You can't look at the history of largely communicable diseases in this country unless you only look at their impact prior to the creation and widespread use of a vaccine for those communicable diseases.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Well, I disagree. When talking about a sample size of 331,000,000; a death rate of half a percent is small. You can't look at the history of largely communicable diseases in this country unless you only look at their impact prior to the creation and widespread use of a vaccine for those communicable diseases.

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I can because that's when we live now. Comparing it to the numbers in 1920 seems irrelevant to me. But we can disagree.

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Originally Posted by ccugrad1

But we hear time after time after time as a way of justifying everything is to "Look at the Data."

Okay, the number of cases is 5.5 million. In a population of 331 million, that equates to .0166163142% of the population and that is if you believe all these cases are Covid-19.

Now, let's look at the number of deaths; 172,000. In a population of 331 million, that equates to .0005196375% of the population and that is if you believe all of these cases are Covid-19.

If we look at the world, you have 22 million cases in a population of 7,800,000,000. That equates to .0028205128% of the world population and that is if you believe all of these cases are Covid-19.

Now, let's look at world deaths; 777,000. In a population of 7,800,000,000 that equates to .0000996154% of the world population.

I am looking at the data and I don't see one bit of justification for all of this. I believe the world has lost sight of two very big NORMS in society-- People get sick every day and people die every day.

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lol, what a stupid take.

I like how dbroncmo be backing him up, lol!

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Originally Posted by nastynice

lol, what a stupid take.

I like how dbroncmo be backing him up, lol!

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Any way to diminish COVID and make Trump look a bit better will be taken.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Well, I disagree. When talking about a sample size of 331,000,000; a death rate of half a percent is small. You can't look at the history of largely communicable diseases in this country unless you only look at their impact prior to the creation and widespread use of a vaccine for those communicable diseases.

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Let me ask this.

Numbers notwithstanding, is it your belief that at this point the entire US be required to open up — schools, restaurants, theaters — regardless?

The insecurity of conservatives against education over the last decade or so is so sad to see. Mr. PHD, professor poneytail, bashing “intellectuals” as a bad thing, etc. I remember when we collectively admired intelligence. Conservatives has just as many Harvard PHDs and engineers and scientists and admired them.

From W to Trump, the hate for higher education is so baffling. There’s such a fear and insecurity background among conservatives now. Whether it’s guns, terrorists, illegal immigrants, or intellectuals, the anger and fear (which go hand in hand) is such a powerful tool for GOP politicians and talking heads.


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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Well, I disagree. When talking about a sample size of 331,000,000; a death rate of half a percent is small. You can't look at the history of largely communicable diseases in this country unless you only look at their impact prior to the creation and widespread use of a vaccine for those communicable diseases.

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A half percent is pretty damn high. That's 1 in 200 people.



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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men

The insecurity of conservatives against education over the last decade or so is so sad to see. Mr. PHD, professor poneytail, bashing “intellectuals” as a bad thing, etc. I remember when we collectively admired intelligence. Conservatives has just as many Harvard PHDs and engineers and scientists and admired them.

From W to Trump, the hate for higher education is so baffling. There’s such a fear and insecurity background among conservatives now. Whether it’s guns, terrorists, illegal immigrants, or intellectuals, the anger and fear (which go hand in hand) is such a powerful tool for GOP politicians and talking heads.


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True that. They bash science and intellectuals when they don't support their spin, then wonder how Trump won their primaries in 2016 and Q'annon beating establishment republicans this time around. Logic and facts be damn, give me the fanasty and conspiracies theories that fit my personal spin on things.

Living in bad times foster that fear and insecurity. Politicians used that fear, like you stated, to maintain their grip on the wheel. Media makes money off fear and loathing. It doesn't make people lives better but increase the divisness of this country to the point where people, who hold more in common with each other then the top one pecent, are at each other throats.

According to the official figures, there have been 53 US Covid-19 deaths for every 100,000 persons (the world figure is 10.1 per 100,000).

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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men

The insecurity of conservatives against education over the last decade or so is so sad to see. Mr. PHD, professor poneytail, bashing “intellectuals” as a bad thing, etc. I remember when we collectively admired intelligence. Conservatives has just as many Harvard PHDs and engineers and scientists and admired them.

From W to Trump, the hate for higher education is so baffling. There’s such a fear and insecurity background among conservatives now. Whether it’s guns, terrorists, illegal immigrants, or intellectuals, the anger and fear (which go hand in hand) is such a powerful tool for GOP politicians and talking heads.


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The more educated people are, the less likely they are to vote conservative. The idea in the Republican party is to push intellectualism and science as progressive motifs that are going to destroy everything as you know it. Not saying the left does everything right either but George Carlin said it best "Evolution is slow. Smallpox is fast". Evolving as a country is difficult. You have accepted norms people are comfortable with even if they are racist, bigoted, inherently stupid, etc.

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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men

The insecurity of conservatives against education over the last decade or so is so sad to see. Mr. PHD, professor poneytail, bashing “intellectuals” as a bad thing, etc. I remember when we collectively admired intelligence. Conservatives has just as many Harvard PHDs and engineers and scientists and admired them.

From W to Trump, the hate for higher education is so baffling. There’s such a fear and insecurity background among conservatives now. Whether it’s guns, terrorists, illegal immigrants, or intellectuals, the anger and fear (which go hand in hand) is such a powerful tool for GOP politicians and talking heads.


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There is a lack of conservative viewpoints in colleges... some of this is self-evident. Scientists tend to believe in science. So it's going to be hard to find biology professors on the side of climate change deniers. This can be said for alot of fields. The places where you tend to get a more even mix is in buisness and economics programs, but even then selection pressures effect things. Why take a prof job where I make X when I can make 5X in the private sector?

I am doing my part. Hell this semester I am showing a video from the American Enterprise Institute. We will see how well some students respond to that.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

The more educated people are, the less likely they are to vote conservative. The idea in the Republican party is to push intellectualism and science as progressive motifs that are going to destroy everything as you know it. Not saying the left does everything right either but George Carlin said it best "Evolution is slow. Smallpox is fast". Evolving as a country is difficult. You have accepted norms people are comfortable with even if they are racist, bigoted, inherently stupid, etc.

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Which is a shame, especially when it comes to climate change and this pandemic. Then it just becomes destructive to the common welfare of this country. Feeding into, not accepting of, racism, stupidity for one's political gains is just as destructive whether it is on the right or left. I have denounced Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton for doing this as well as those on the right like Mitch and Newt before him.

You never feed into destructive norms just because people are comfortable with them. We would never had end slavery, or giving the right to vote to women or end child labor if we did that in the past.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

A half percent is pretty damn high. That's 1 in 200 people.



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Wait. Are you saying that a death rate of .05% of 331,000,000 people equals 1 out of 200 people?