COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by GasMan

If someone believes something to be true and then change their belief when they receive new facts they are not a hypocrite. That makes them rational. It’s when you say that a politician with the the most in depth intel at his fingertips shouldn’t be judged on their statements from late March but some NY Times employees should be that you become a hypocrite. See the difference?

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have you been keeping track that I have also said Trump deserves blame.

if Trump deserves blame for downplaying Coronavirus in February, then so should others also deserve blame when they did the same thing. that is how it should work.

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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men

https://twitter.com/therickwilson/st...553173506?s=21

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makes sense. to some literally nothing is more important than beating Trump in November. they wouldn't want America to improve before then which could only cause Trump to get credit and help him come November.

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Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men

https://twitter.com/therickwilson/st...553173506?s=21

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It most be Hillary’s emails that did this for revenge.

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Originally Posted by WES445

Look who is expected to obey the authority and those who believe they are entitled to confront the authority. But a small part of me understands their concerns. They know the government isn't going to come to their rescue if they keep missing paychecks. Especially after Mnuckin told them that $1,200 would last them ten weeks. Plus the sight of empty grocery shelves and people being evicted can put a lot of fear in people

Heard that milk and eggs are being trashed due to low restaurant orders. Amazing, our system is doing this instead of giving it to people who need it.

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Homeless shelters and food banks absolutely could use some of that food. And that is only the start of the restaurant supply chain starting to throw things away. Just think when it gets to frozen meats and chicken.

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Originally Posted by GasMan

**** the next pandemic. I thought we were the greatest country on the planet. How are we unable to make these tests up the the quantity needed? We’re running out of swabs. How is that possible? Six weeks ago (and really much sooner) we should have known that we would need hundreds of millions if not a billion plus tests to have any ability to confront this pandemic. Where was the person who was making sure this stuff was happening? Yes a lot of this requires supply chains that exist outside our country but I find it hard to believe that if we wanted to with competent leadership we couldn’t have turned into a country that made PPE, ventilators and testing kits. This feels like we woke up the morning of the science project with a cup of dirt (Brian Reagan fans?).

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You have to have the raw materials to make the testing kits, including cotton swabs. With a lot of that manufacturing happening in countries that shut down, there is now a lull in getting the raw materials out there. Last week, Rutgers designed and deployed an oral test without the swabs to NYS and NJ. But it probably runs into the same issue of manufacturing on a large scale and getting deployed with raw material supply interrupted.

As far as ventilators go, the president deployed the defense act on automobile manufacturers to start producing ventilators. Distilleries started producing hand sanitizer. But those transitions take time, and also take money, to get the equipment redeployed (or purchased) as well as ordering the raw materials.

I think we will see a lot of this coming back to the US now as companies will see the benefit in these businesses being "on shore" but we also have to remember that we can't tax the companies into oblivion, which made them leave in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Another study showing that the mortality rate is lower than they thought


https://twitter.com/joeysalads/statu...921994753?s=21

Is it possible that there’s two type of virus? One that is deadlier than another?


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I've read that there is a mutation that occurred in the disease that went to Europe and then came to NYC/NYS, versus what is currently happening on the west coast right now. There are definitely more severe symptoms in the east coast cases versus the west coast ones.

Additionally, an article published a report from a hospital that 88% of pregnant women that came through the hospitals in NYC/NYS were asymptomatic, while another report is saying that men are having a more difficult time fighting the virus because it can hide in the testicles, which are walled off from our immune system.

We are learning new things about this virus every day.

I get that it takes time and the supply chains have existed outside the us. But it should have become apparent that testing is the biggest priority bar none at least 6 weeks ago. At that point there should have been some leadership that started a coordinated effort to figure out how to get the country producing 1 million tests a day. Cost should be irrelevant since shortening the SIP orders by a month or two would be worth it in terms of dollars and lives saved. Even if it wasn’t on line yet but the a process was in place and we were moving towards real testing then we could claim some level of competence. Instead the president claims that we have plenty of tests.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

It's not politicians, it's the companies. They are told "you can't" and they take it as gospel and it's not questioned.

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If our political system wasn't so corrupt, companies wouldn't be influencing our national policies. How many career politicians have retired as multi-millionaires? I blame the politicians more. The democrat use to protect American workers' jobs, now they don't because the paid is better if they don't.

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Originally Posted by GasMan

I get that it takes time and the supply chains have existed outside the us. But it should have become apparent that testing is the biggest priority bar none at least 6 weeks ago. At that point there should have been some leadership that started a coordinated effort to figure out how to get the country producing 1 million tests a day. Cost should be irrelevant since shortening the SIP orders by a month or two would be worth it in terms of dollars and lives saved. Even if it wasn’t on line yet but the a process was in place and we were moving towards real testing then we could claim some level of competence. Instead the president claims that we have plenty of tests.

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Honestly, if we can’t keep up with toilet paper what makes you think the country could produce tens of millions of cotton swabs? Don’t mean to come off with an attitude, it’s a serious question.

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Originally Posted by GasMan

I get that it takes time and the supply chains have existed outside the us. But it should have become apparent that testing is the biggest priority bar none at least 6 weeks ago. At that point there should have been some leadership that started a coordinated effort to figure out how to get the country producing 1 million tests a day. Cost should be irrelevant since shortening the SIP orders by a month or two would be worth it in terms of dollars and lives saved. Even if it wasn’t on line yet but the a process was in place and we were moving towards real testing then we could claim some level of competence. Instead the president claims that we have plenty of tests.

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It's pretty obvious that we have no real leadership to get us through this. I already expect these types of issues to keep piling up.

Some countries have already developed an entire national software system as a rough screening, taking into account travel, temperature, and symptoms, amongst other things. Its implemented through phone apps I believe.

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Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz

I've read that there is a mutation that occurred in the disease that went to Europe and then came to NYC/NYS, versus what is currently happening on the west coast right now. There are definitely more severe symptoms in the east coast cases versus the west coast ones.

Additionally, an article published a report from a hospital that 88% of pregnant women that came through the hospitals in NYC/NYS were asymptomatic, while another report is saying that men are having a more difficult time fighting the virus because it can hide in the testicles, which are walled off from our immune system.

We are learning new things about this virus every day.

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Links?

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Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz

You have to have the raw materials to make the testing kits, including cotton swabs. With a lot of that manufacturing happening in countries that shut down, there is now a lull in getting the raw materials out there. Last week, Rutgers designed and deployed an oral test without the swabs to NYS and NJ. But it probably runs into the same issue of manufacturing on a large scale and getting deployed with raw material supply interrupted.

As far as ventilators go, the president deployed the defense act on automobile manufacturers to start producing ventilators. Distilleries started producing hand sanitizer. But those transitions take time, and also take money, to get the equipment redeployed (or purchased) as well as ordering the raw materials.

I think we will see a lot of this coming back to the US now as companies will see the benefit in these businesses being "on shore" but we also have to remember that we can't tax the companies into oblivion, which made them leave in the first place.

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This is what I was trying to say. Don't know that it was clear.

I think we need to go further in the future. Require the US government to purchase made in the US products, require the emergency reserves to be re-stocked, and subsidize US manufacturing facilities by giving low interest rate loans and not taxing capital expenses in setting up new plants.

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Originally Posted by GasMan

I get that it takes time and the supply chains have existed outside the us. But it should have become apparent that testing is the biggest priority bar none at least 6 weeks ago. At that point there should have been some leadership that started a coordinated effort to figure out how to get the country producing 1 million tests a day. Cost should be irrelevant since shortening the SIP orders by a month or two would be worth it in terms of dollars and lives saved. Even if it wasn’t on line yet but the a process was in place and we were moving towards real testing then we could claim some level of competence. Instead the president claims that we have plenty of tests.

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I think it's a lot harder to ramp up than you think. Like, say you need 1000 specialized machines to churn out 1 million tests a day (random number), and lets say none are manufactured in the US and the country where they are manufactured has no exports. Now you need a US based manufacturer to go from 0 to making complex lab equipment in days that might take them years normally.

Scaling from 100,000 to 200,000 is INCREDIBLY hard to do. Scaling from 0 to 10 is much much more work.

On the legality of shelter in place orders in Texas at least ...

The governor can order a shelter in place, most agree, for a maximum of 7 days on his own.

The legislature can agree to extend that to a maximum of 30 days.

After that it appears it's fairly clearly not a lawful order. There is some dispute if it's lawful before that too, but nobody appears to be arguing that at the moment.

Some arguments that have been made are that the part of the law being used to keep people out of going to work are for dangerous buildings, and the orders to tell people where and when to go were created for managing evacuation from hurricanes and tornadoes, not for keeping people in their homes and away from work.

Texas has a freedom of religion act, and the lawyers for it told the churches that as long as the church was not being treated different from other businesses there was nothing particularly anti-religion about the order, then they went on to suggest it's in everyone best interest to not have in=person services. Seemed a very reasonable response.

So, based on what I've been able to find, Texas' shelter in place orders legality ran out day before yesterday (started March 19th). The Governor did "ask" that people continue to shelter in place and limit their interaction to essentials which seems completely reasonable to me too.

I did this research not because I have a particular problem with the shelter in place, I was just curious about whether the people protesting had a legal point.

In Texas:
April 20th state parks re-opened
April 24th all stores will be able to open for retail-to-go
April 27th further re-start plans to come

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

makes sense. to some literally nothing is more important than beating Trump in November. they wouldn't want America to improve before then which could only cause Trump to get credit and help him come November.

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It makes sense if your brain is made of oatmeal. Otherwise, its incredibly stupid