COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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10-03-2021, 05:18 AM
valade16

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Covid statistics have been lied about since the start. That isn’t even debatable anymore. I’m not even an “anti-vaxxer”. So I don’t know what you’re getting at with the “you and Chronz” comment.

In terms of MSM, no, that isn’t a political issue, because both sides are guilty of the same propaganda pushing BS.

If you got rid of all the propaganda, what do you think the message is from the medical community on vaccines, masks, and social distancing?
10-03-2021, 05:19 AM
valade16

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Originally Posted by catman

Now that Biden is responsible for nearly 300K deaths from Covid (with vaccines in place), will someone finally admit that his approach to handling this virus is failing?

That they died while he was President doesn’t mean he caused the deaths. He is not responsible for conservatives refusing to get the vaccine to spite him.
10-03-2021, 05:20 AM
valade16

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Chosing to not get vaccinated isn't a life choice? Very interesting, very incorrect and very convenient.

And for the 4th time....

Whatever kind of choice you call it, it’s a dumb one.
10-03-2021, 09:04 AM
catman

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Originally Posted by valade16

That they died while he was President doesn’t mean he caused the deaths. He is not responsible for conservatives refusing to get the vaccine to spite him.

The vaccine is available. Biden's message has been ineffective. He has failed to persuade people to take the vaccine -- in both parties. His message is a failure.
10-03-2021, 09:08 AM
Brewersfan255

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

Facts don’t require you to believe them.

Because only republicans are unvaccinated lolz

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10-03-2021, 09:08 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by valade16

That they died while he was President doesn’t mean he caused the deaths. He is not responsible for conservatives refusing to get the vaccine to spite him.

People have an odd way of asserting accountability. What does Biden have to do? Does he have to go door to door jabbing people in the arm? People complain when COVID is still prevalent during his presidency but go ape **** when they hear a "vaccine mandate". If you want to die on the hill of freedom then that's your personal choice. You have no business complaining if those things take precedent over your health or the health of the public and you eventually get sick. You can't have it both ways.

Biden is not the one propagating this virus. The only beef I have with him is their border regulations in regards to COVID but that doesn't predominantly account for the exorbitant amount of cases in the US at this current moment.
10-03-2021, 09:09 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

Because only republicans are unvaccinated lolz

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No one said that either troll.

Its just mostly Republicans and right wing affiliations who aren't.
10-03-2021, 09:10 AM
Brewersfan255

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Originally Posted by metswon69

I didn't call you an "anti vaxxer". You and him do have a lot in common in regards to this idea that COVID deaths and hospitalizations are hyper inflated to fit a narrative.

Never said the media has been innocent in that regard. Even our current president has engaged in disinformation about the virus to some extent. That doesn't change that there is a political divide in regards to who is taking the vaccine and who isn't.

I know several liberals at work who never got the vaccine and ended up getting it. Saying it’s all republicans or republican areas don’t mean crap

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10-03-2021, 09:10 AM
catman

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Originally Posted by natepro

:laugh2: I've never seen someone so upset at a search engine before.

I am not upset with the search engine. When properly used, they are invaluable. I am irritated with your total reliance on Google for your answers to simple questions. I question whether or not you can think for yourself. As I said, you have been programmed well. You would make an excellent subject for an Orwellian despot.
10-03-2021, 09:12 AM
Brewersfan255

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Originally Posted by natepro

Being a spouse is a life choice too, but that has nothing to do with my point. Sounds like your problem is with the free market.

Then you would have no problems with businesses who don’t want to do service with certain people right? I mean it is a free market after all!

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10-03-2021, 09:15 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by catman

The vaccine is available. Biden's message has been ineffective. He has failed to persuade people to take the vaccine -- in both parties. His message is a failure.

His message works just fine with Democrats. Its catching on with Latino Democrats as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/u...cinations.html

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...and-ethnicity/

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Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans.

A Gallup survey released on Sept. 29 confirmed the KFF findings. As of mid-September, 75% of adult Americans have been vaccinated, including 73% of non-Hispanic white adults and 78% of non-whites. Along party lines, however, the breakdown was 92% of Democrats, 68% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans

And it absolutely matters among party lines. I don't think you understand that people who choose not to be vaccinated aren't going to persuaded in all likelihood by now. Not unless they get supremely sick or watch someone they love get to that point. Biden's message has or is working with Democrats (mostly). Its not working to the extent it needs to across the aisle but that's not because he's not pushing the message consistently or appropriately.

That's the hesitancy in the Republican party and elsewhere for whatever reasons they continue not to be vaccinated.
10-03-2021, 09:16 AM
catman

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Originally Posted by metswon69

People have an odd way of asserting accountability. What does Biden have to do? Does he have to go door to door jabbing people in the arm? People complain when COVID is still prevalent during his presidency but go ape **** when they hear a "vaccine mandate". If you want to die on the hill of freedom then that's your personal choice. You have no business complaining if those things take precedent over your health or the health of the public and you eventually get sick. You can't have it both ways.

Biden is not the one propagating this virus. The only beef I have with him is their border regulations in regards to COVID but that doesn't predominantly account for the exorbitant amount of cases in the US at this current moment.

What he has to do is formulate an effective message to persuade everyone to get vaccinated. He has not done that. Trump has told people to get vaccinated. What more should he do?
10-03-2021, 09:16 AM
catman

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Originally Posted by metswon69

His message works just fine with Democrats. Its catching on with Latino Democrats as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/u...cinations.html

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...and-ethnicity/

And it absolutely matters among party lines. I don't think you understand that people who choose not to be vaccinated aren't going to persuaded in all likelihood by now. Not unless they get supremely sick or watch someone they love get to that point. Biden's message has or is working with Democrats (mostly). Its not working to the extent it needs to across the aisle but that's not because he's not pushing the message consistently or appropriately.

That's the hesitancy in the Republican party and elsewhere for whatever reasons they continue not to be vaccinated.

So BLM members and other blacks are Republicans?
10-03-2021, 09:16 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

I know several liberals at work who never got the vaccine and ended up getting it. Saying it’s all republicans or republican areas don’t mean crap

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Who cares about your anecdotal work experience? There are numbers to back up who has been vaccinated and who hasn't been and where they align politically.
10-03-2021, 09:18 AM
metswon69

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Originally Posted by catman

So BLM members are Republicans?

Black people account for 13% of the American population. You do realize that, right? And according to that link I sent you half of them are or have been vaccinated.

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