COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Notice I don't speculate about you at any point here but you keep questioning my motives as if that is relevant.



I don't claim its just a race thing.
Its wrong regardless of race and effects multiple races.

Where race comes is that that the the policy will undeniably will effect a very significant percentage of black people.
A disproportionate effect on minorities being considered racist is the leftist standard that I brought up and that was discussed.

I noted the obvious double standard between this and voter ID.
You and nate took issue with it and called it a false dichotomy.
That is how this started.

If you want to take the position that the disproportionate effects are fine and not racist because it doesn't single out a group that is up to you. It looks like that is what you are finally doing now?



The three of you have repeatedly came at me personally in different ways.

You keep speculating things about me like I don't actually care about people and am only doing it because it might effect me, instead of focusing on addressing and admitting the merit of the points, but I haven't even been flaming you in response.
Agree or disagree?

I made an effort to keep it civil and keep it issue based and gopher comes back in here coming at me, calling me dishonest, claiming all of my posts are disingenuous and that I'm not interested in honest debate, and misrepresenting what happened.
He absolutely deserved to be told off and I stand by that.

I have clearly been honestly arguing this topic and posing legitimate problems to you guys.
Wouldn't you say many of my posts in recent hours have been issue-based even if you disagree with my position?

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They are relevant. If something threatens to affect you adversely, those motivations to stop it for others become a lot less virtuous. Maybe all of this hits to close to home. I don't know that for certain but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility, especially when you consistently dodge the question of whether or not you've been vaccinated.

Questioning your motivations and your viewpoints is much different than "**** off loser". You know that.

That said, I am tired of arguing in circles with you about masks. The fact that the same thing about masks needs to said consistently and from various sources sounds like you're going to stick your feet in the sand irrespective of what's presented. Then again I don't put "medical experts" in quotations so to whatever you value those offerings, it certainly can't be much.

I mean I question how much you care about the safety and well being of others because you disregard that subject almost every time it comes up. So many other things take priority and some people are like that. They have their values, they have their idealisms, they focus on one particular aspect of how it affects human life and leave little left to acknowledge. I and others are worried about the physical toll of the virus. I fully understand there are other factors in regards to kids but the solutions are limited and you haven't brought anything to the table that bridges that gap.

The survival rate of humans is paramount. Preventive measures help along those processes whether they save 100 lives or 100,000.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

Not a couple hours, that obviously shouldn’t count...

It’s very clear this is a pattern though. That it’s happened over that span isn’t something positive at all. That’s actually why I noted it then tried myself to have a discussion to see if your claims of it being others fault is true. You then went to extremes at me while still never having tried to have an honest debate. Not once yet despite the insults and victim playing.

At any time you can respond but you keep choosing not to. You go further and further trying to prove my beliefs of what’s actually happening and that I was right.


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This is just a flat out falsehood.

I have no intention or reasonable obligation to respond to your personal attacks and lies about me with points about posts from hours ago.

YOU did not engage productively.
You came at me lying about what I had been posting.
That is what I want you to take responsibility for.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

This is just a flat out falsehood.

I have no intention or reasonable obligation to respond to your personal attacks and lies about me with points about posts from hours ago.

YOU did not engage productively.
You came at me lying about what I had been posting.
That is what I want you to take responsibility for.

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I haven’t been lying, you have even proven my opinions to be quite accurate. You don’t have any obligation to respond yet you keep responding in similar ways over and over instead of real discussion.

At least you admit it’s your choice not an obligation to keep responding as you do.

Any time like I keep saying...


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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

When we discuss recent posts and a change in behavior the posts from 2 days and 12 hours ago are not representative of the recent posts.

Keep tattling, deceptively editing, and pretending you weren't bating and engaging in the same behavior.

Must be nice having an internet hall monitor come to your rescue when you were soundly intellectually beaten and insulting me to obstruct.

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Time to learn what a pattern is, old chap.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Stopping voting on Sunday mornings was specifically targeting souls to the polls, a black initiative.

I’d even be supportive of voter ID if it wasn’t so glaringly obvious you only want it to stop as many Democrats from voting as possible (to the point where politicians have literally admitted that’s the reason for the laws).

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How does stopping voting on Sunday mornings have anything to do with voter ID?


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Originally Posted by valade16

As a point of note, the leftist position isn’t that voter ID laws are racist because they have a disproportionate impact on black people, it’s that they are racist because they are enacted for the specific purpose of having a disproportionate impact on black people (and Democratic voters in general).

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Not true at all. Not in every state at least. No reason why we can’t see who you are when voting


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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

I subscribe to the abolition of government..

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Don’t you just love the armchair radicals?

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Don’t you just love the armchair radicals?

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Better to be an 'armchair radical' than an NPC supporting whatever authoritarian measures you are told to support.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Better to be an 'armchair radical' than an NPC supporting whatever authoritarian measures you are told to support.

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Well, considering that under your desired rubric you’d probably be enslaved, if not dead, there might be some merit in what you advocate.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

How does stopping voting on Sunday mornings have anything to do with voter ID?

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It’s part of the same bill, based on the fact that provisions in the bill were specifically designed to target black and democratic voters, it’s reasonable to assume it is all tainted in such a way. You want me to believe that one provision was specifically to stop democratic votes but the rest were genuine good faith efforts at stopping perceived voting fraud? Sorry, not buying it.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Better to be an 'armchair radical' than an NPC supporting whatever authoritarian measures you are told to support.

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Are you an anarchist?

Unless Florida plans on holding classes outside, they better figure something out. This has just started.

What makes me laugh is that Regeneron has only been known as a treatment for COVID for less than a year. The vaccine has been worked on since the beginning of 2020 and yet the vaccine is too new? Too untested? Am I missing something here?

Here, mind you that Regeneron costs 1500 dollars a dose but masks are 50 cents and the vaccine is free.

Nobody should be surprised that mini Trump is doing what Papa Trump would do.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

What makes me laugh is that Regeneron has only been known as a treatment for COVID for less than a year. The vaccine has been worked on since the beginning of 2020 and yet the vaccine is too new? Too untested? Am I missing something here?

Here, mind you that Regeneron costs 1500 dollars a dose but masks are 50 cents and the vaccine is free.

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