COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

You sound like you could be president one day!

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I cant, I'm muslim.. [emoji853]

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

Because it's not just "eating on the sidewalk". We're talking tourism, travel, entertainment, sports, retail, etc. Even businesses that are essential need fewer employees now. They call it earning a living for a reason.

I have no problem answering your question - I think we should be open. I think everyone knows that.

Answer mine. If the virus continues to mutate and spread when do we end the restrictions?

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We end the restrictions when it’s safe to do so.

For me it’s a simple calculus. It is easy to provide financial relief to those who are hurt economically by Covid than it is to help people who die of Covid.

It’s odd that you care so much about people’s financial well being but don’t give a **** if they die.

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Originally Posted by ewing

You didn’t think the nation could afford any disruption or even precautionary measures?

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No amount of bodies will ever be as bad as a single dollar lost!

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Originally Posted by valade16

We end the restrictions when it’s safe to do so.

For me it’s a simple calculus. It is easy to provide financial relief to those who are hurt economically by Covid than it is to help people who die of Covid.

It’s odd that you care so much about people’s financial well being but don’t give a **** if they die.

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Simple calculus, baby!

You gave me the indefinite answer 10 months ago, too.

Between you and Nasty we could probably stop this thing in a month.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

No there hasn't. We still have no travel restrictions in place. This is the ABC of a pandemic response. Wear a mask is the least of the least we can do, and even half the country isnt on board with that.

The reason anti mask has a spotlight on it is because it is unbelieveable stupid and ignorant take, itsshocking, but there's more to it than just masks. But if we cant even get your population on board with that then what chance do we have? 500k dead is easily predictable with this level of stupidity in a pandemic response.

It's SO bad here people flat out dont believe other countries have it under control. It has completely skewed their perception of what can be accomplished with a coherent response.

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CHI-NA! You just can't help yourself can you? :laugh2:

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

Simple calculus, baby!

You gave me the indefinite answer 10 months ago, too.

Between you and Nasty we could probably stop this thing in a month.

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No, again, since the beginning we have known we will not be able to end this thing until either eradication, or herd immunity. Eradication went out the window early on, once 1% of the population gets it I believe it is no longer and option, so since early on herd immunity has been the goal.

How we get to herd immunity can vary. The two extremes are, one, to go about life completely normal as if there is no problem, let it burn through the population over a course of a few months, the economy will temporarily shut down on it's own, we probably have a death toll around 2 million, and the whole thing is over within a few months. Maximum death toll, minimal economic toll.

The other extreme is to stay completely locked down stay at home order until enough vaccine is distributed to reach herd immunity. This is looking to be roughly a 20 month process for covid 19. Minimum death toll, maximum economic toll.

The smarter thing would be to avoid extremes and run a response somewhere in the middle. Set certain effective protocol and strictly enforce it. This allows for a situation where the spread is controlled yet the economy is still open.

I'm just trying to explain to you what is happening and why, this isnt a political argument for me. You keep responding to me as if it is, if that's all you're concerned with then let me know, I'll save my breath.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

It was supposed to be two weeks, lol. Around that point I asked everyone how long they planned on hiding from this thing. Then it was three months, then six months, now almost a year.

I was against the stimulus and the ridiculous covid relief unemployment. We're all paying for this down the road.

Virus might not go anywhere even with an effective vaccine. We could see mutations the rest of our lives.

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No it wasn’t. Now its about the deficit. Idk Im pretty sure I remember you mocking 7-11 for having a screen bt you and the register guy at the very beginning.


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Hmm I don’t think we can ignore that there would be very severe financial and economic implications for just keeping everything open. Our hospitals would quickly be overwhelmed where not only would we have exponentially more deaths related to covid from overwhelmed hospitals, but we’d have exponential ancillary deaths because the system would be completely clogged up dealing with covid patients. All these dead bodies carry with them implicit significant financial impacts as well.


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Originally Posted by ewing

No it wasn’t. Now its about the deficit. Idk Im pretty sure I remember you mocking 7-11 for having a screen bt you and the register guy at the very beginning.


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The screen. :laugh2:

Go into a 7-11, touch some stuff, give it to the cashier, he touches it. Then you give him money. And then he gives you back money that he got from someone else and your stuff.

But there's a screen just in case your were coughing on each other during this whole process!!!!

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

The screen. :laugh2:

Go into a 7-11, touch some stuff, give it to the cashier, he touches it. Then you give him money. And then he gives you back money that he got from someone else and your stuff.

But there's a screen just in case your were coughing on each other during this whole process!!!!

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Simple safety precautions are so hilarious!

I wouldn't be surprised if it actually makes it worse because it's just more surface area for it to cling to near a customer. The funny thing is there's a gap between the screen so the cashier and customer can make the sale. They tend to stand there.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

I wouldn't be surprised if it actually makes it worse because it's just more surface area for it to cling to near a customer. The funny thing is there's a gap between the screen so the cashier and customer can make the sale. They tend to stand there.

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I wouldn't be surprised if you were dropped on your head one too many times as a child.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

The screen. :laugh2:

Go into a 7-11, touch some stuff, give it to the cashier, he touches it. Then you give him money. And then he gives you back money that he got from someone else and your stuff.

But there's a screen just in case your were coughing on each other during this whole process!!!!

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Most people don’t pay with cash and it’s forcing distancing. Your first reaction to any safety precaution is to mock. You’re not making a reasoned judgement based on economics.


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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

I wouldn't be surprised if you were dropped on your head one too many times as a child.

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Originally Posted by ewing

Most people pay with cash and it’s forcing distancing. Your first reaction to any safety precaution is to mock. You’re not making a reasoned judgement based on economics.

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Yep. Dude was the hardest science denier when it comes to covid of all of them.