COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

There has only been one virus and one set of vaccines. The virus has done what all viruses do- fight to stay alive by mutating into more contagious, but weaker variants. Natural immunity (which ONLY comes from having HAD the virus) only appeared to help more to some because people who had it initially had antibodies OF that variant in their system.

However, define 'better'....the VAST majority of people hospitalized or worse were still unvaccinated. I know 2 people personally who would most assuredly have suffered greatly or even died had they not been vaxxed before they got Covid in December. But they weathered it just fine.

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I am talking about the mutations. Call them whatever you want, the viruses were different and the vaccines were different also. The word smithing that goes on on this site is amazing. The only significant group of people who got the virus was the unvaxed only because the vaccine wasn't developed yet and there were no treatments for it that were available either at the time. Meanwhile Fauci and his merry Drs. Frankensteins were developing the lethal viruses in conjunction with China as the vile bastards that they are.

Whatever you say about natural immunity being ineffective I will not agree with because I know better. Immunities are just that. Those who had the virus early on had these immunities to varying degrees. My wife and I had it in March of 2020 and survived. We got the two shots but I would bet that if we were tested for natural immunities we would have also been fine later. That is just common sense. Those "studies" that I read were pretty weak in scientific proof to reach a predetermined conclusion due to the pressure to develop a vaccine quickly.

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Originally Posted by Bird of Prey

I am talking about the mutations. Call them whatever you want, the viruses were different and the vaccines were different also. The word smithing that goes on on this site is amazing. The only significant group of people who got the virus was the unvaxed only because the vaccine wasn't developed yet and there were no treatments for it that were available either at the time. Meanwhile Fauci and his merry Drs. Frankensteins were developing the lethal viruses in conjunction with China as the vile bastards that they are.

Whatever you say about natural immunity being ineffective I will not agree with because I know better. Immunities are just that. Those who had the virus early on had these immunities to varying degrees. My wife and I had it in March of 2020 and survived. We got the two shots but I would bet that if we were tested for natural immunities we would have also been fine later. That is just common sense. Those "studies" that I read were pretty weak in scientific proof to reach a predetermined conclusion due to the pressure to develop a vaccine quickly.

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If you want to see how effective natural "immunity" works, go back and look at the deaths that were occurring when we first learned about COVID. If you do so honestly, it will dispel any notion of natural "immunity".

For the record, I will be putting quotes around the word immunity in this context going forward. If I'm on my phone, I won't be pressing the extra buttons but please know that it is implied whenever I say the words natural "immunity" going forward.

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Originally Posted by natepro

No one is talking about malaria. Obviously.

The cost of one course of Paxlovid, one of the COVID treatment pills, is $350; Molnupiravir, the other pill, is $700 per treatment.

Sotrovimab, the only of the antibody treatments that still work against Omicron, costs $2,100 per course.

Moderna’s COVID vaccine costs around $15 per dose.

Pfizer's COVID vaccine costs around $24 per dose.

J&J's COVID vaccine costs about $10 per dose.


You tell me which of those totals you'd rather pay.

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I got to see the work-up for those dose numbers. You can't make $31Billion bucks in one year at $24/dose for Pfizer's vaccines. That was the advertised money that they made.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

If you want to see how effective natural "immunity" works, go back and look at the deaths that were occurring when we first learned about COVID. If you do so honestly, it will dispel any notion of natural "immunity".

For the record, I will be putting quotes around the word immunity in this context going forward. If I'm on my phone, I won't be pressing the extra buttons but please know that it is implied whenever I say the words natural "immunity" going forward.

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That is not what I said. Try that again. What I said was that after people got infected with Covid and recovered(which order of magnitudes did) they developed a natural immunity. This has been the real "science" that was ignored by the so-called "experts" on these viruses. Why was it ignored? Because they insisted on everyone buying into the fantasy of needing more shots than we did in order to make tons of money for the drug makers and their croonies in government offices.

The other thing, it is generally true that younger people have a real natural immunity that diminishes over time. That also was ignored for the most part by these same so-called "experts" on viruses. Why? Same reason as before. Not enough money for Big Pharma and their government croonies. Who cares about the side effects as in heart disease for three year olds, huh?:mad:

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Originally Posted by Bird of Prey

I got to see the work-up for those dose numbers. You can't make $31Billion bucks in one year at $24/dose for Pfizer's vaccines. That was the advertised money that they made.

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You sure about that? Run those numbers and it will be far more reasonable than you propose.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

You sure about that? Run those numbers and it will be far more reasonable than you propose.

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We'll take the highest costing vaccine/dose:

11,000,000,000 x $24 = $264,000,000,000

Or we can take the average cost/ dose:

11,000,000,000 x $16.33 = $179,630,000,000

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

If you want to see how effective natural "immunity" works, go back and look at the deaths that were occurring when we first learned about COVID. If you do so honestly, it will dispel any notion of natural "immunity".

For the record, I will be putting quotes around the word immunity in this context going forward. If I'm on my phone, I won't be pressing the extra buttons but please know that it is implied whenever I say the words natural "immunity" going forward.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

You sure about that? Run those numbers and it will be far more reasonable than you propose.

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You know, you maybe right about that. I was thinking about the US and not the world. I saw that it would be about 1.5 BILLION DOSES. That could be the number for the entire world I guess.

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Originally Posted by Bird of Prey

You know, you maybe right about that. I was thinking about the US and not the world. I saw that it would be about 1.5 BILLION DOSES. That could be the number for the entire world I guess.

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1.5 billion doses would be administered to 750 million individuals with no boosters or 500 million individuals with everyone getting a booster. I don't see a global count on boosters but Bloomberg lists that 28% of the population have gotten one (the data is from January 2022: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/)

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

1.5 billion doses would be administered to 750 million individuals with no boosters or 500 million individuals with everyone getting a booster. I don't see a global count on boosters but Bloomberg lists that 28% of the population have gotten one (the data is from January 2022: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/)

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I also found that the earnings estimate of the drug companies involved have different numbers depending on the site you look at. One showed $31B for 2021 for Pfizer for example and the next site showed $36B. Nate listed a cost of $24.00/dose and I used that number but I don't know that that is right either. Its no big deal anyway really.

Those are all US costs, they're not charging the same in every country.

90+% can stop wearing masks per CDC.
https://www.today.com/health/cdc-num...asks-rcna18669

This is HUGE: Judge forces Pfizer to release "confidential" info about Pfizer vaccine Side Effects:hi5:

They tried to hide this from the public for about 50 years:mad:


Pfizer Forced to Release ‘Confidential’ Data about Vaccine ...
https://republicbroadcasting.org/news/pfizer...
15 hours ago · Pfizer wanted to hide their data from the public for for 50 years, but a court ordered them to produce it. Attorney Thomas Renz reacted to Pfizer’s latest data drop of a report listing possible side effects from their COVID gene therapy “vaccines”.

The Pfizer Vaccine Only Has 1,291 Side Effects!
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/th...-only-has-1291
Mar 04, 2022 · 48 min ago 47 1 The FDA was forced by a judge to release clinical data on the COVID vaccines back in January and so 55,000 pages of documents were just released. The FDA

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Originally Posted by Bird of Prey

This is HUGE: Judge forces Pfizer to release "confidential" info about Pfizer vaccine Side Effects:hi5:

They tried to hide this from the public for about 50 years:mad:


Pfizer Forced to Release ‘Confidential’ Data about Vaccine ...
https://republicbroadcasting.org/news/pfizer...
15 hours ago · Pfizer wanted to hide their data from the public for for 50 years, but a court ordered them to produce it. Attorney Thomas Renz reacted to Pfizer’s latest data drop of a report listing possible side effects from their COVID gene therapy “vaccines”.

The Pfizer Vaccine Only Has 1,291 Side Effects!
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/th...-only-has-1291
Mar 04, 2022 · 48 min ago 47 1 The FDA was forced by a judge to release clinical data on the COVID vaccines back in January and so 55,000 pages of documents were just released. The FDA

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Believe what you want. I'll stay with the CDC.