COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by natepro

There is the small matter of him not saying the policy was.

Regardless, would this same travel ban have happened if it was found in the Netherlands instead? I don't see why not.

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As for why not, well the WHO among others have blasted this decision as unhelpful for solving the problem they set out to do, and also, perversely punishes S.Africa for effectively having good domestic policy around testing, and doing the right thing by telling the world about this virus, unlike China which just kept their mouth shut.

Here is another one from Joe, and also Kamala.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Trump put a travel ban on like 8 countries at the time, and people had no problem describing it as Racist and Xenophobic, despite as you point out that there are over 55 countries on the African Continent.

BTW you do acknowledge that the *Whitest* one is like 8% of the country right? Like you get that right?

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Poor Trump. How could anyone ever think that he was motivated by racism? :(

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

As for why not, well the WHO among others have blasted this decision as unhelpful for solving the problem they set out to do, and also, perversely punishes S.Africa for effectively having good domestic policy around testing, and doing the right thing by telling the world about this virus, unlike China which just kept their mouth shut.

Here is another one from Joe, and also Kamala.

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So perverse!

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Oh, so like if we put forward Jim Crow era policies for the CORRECT reasons, then they're not racist. Like how Universities like USC have racially segregated housing, it's OK to ethnically segregate your population so long as you do it for the CORRECT reasons right?

What is substantially different between then and now, the Trump admin did it to stop the unnecessary spread, the Biden admin is doing the same.
Even though the Omnicron varient is probably here already, that doesn't mean you have to let more in.

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Funny you should bring that up because that’s EXACTLY what the GOP is trying to revive in terms of their more stringent voting laws…

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

As for why not, well the WHO among others have blasted this decision as unhelpful for solving the problem they set out to do, and also, perversely punishes S.Africa for effectively having good domestic policy around testing, and doing the right thing by telling the world about this virus, unlike China which just kept their mouth shut.

Here is another one from Joe, and also Kamala.

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You should probably try reading my question again if you think this is an answer to it.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

This is literally him saying it.

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So you're not even talking about COVID-related travel bans? :laugh2:

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Originally Posted by natepro

You should probably try reading my question again if you think this is an answer to it.

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The conservatives don't have an opinion on the ban one way or another. In fact I would argue they support it but this is how they deal with an issue that they agree with the Democrat on. They don't attack the idea.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Funny you should bring that up because that’s EXACTLY what the GOP is trying to revive in terms of their more stringent voting laws…

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Election security was something Dem's were VERY big on between 2016-2020, you know, keeping those vodka swilling Russians out, they seem far less interested in it now.

That said, I'm open to some changes in voting laws.

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Originally Posted by natepro

So you're not even talking about COVID-related travel bans? :laugh2:

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That tweet was literally from Feb 2020, what the **** do you think that travel ban was in reference to during Feb of 2020?

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

That tweet was literally from Feb 2020, what the **** do you think that travel ban was in reference to during Feb of 2020?

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What is it he always says? Oh yeah...he didn't even read the article. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by natepro

So you're not even talking about COVID-related travel bans? :laugh2:

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I get it, so long as he doesn't use the EXACT words in EXACTLY the right way, he never said it, and furthermore NEVER said anything remotely CLOSE to it, so long as it isn't the precise semantics, there is no way to even interpret it that way.
This newfound love of precise semantics is incredible considering you've never been shy to accuse celebrities and politicians of *dog-whistling* alt-right, or Anti-Vax or bigoted views.

Would it be more accurate to say Joe Biden DOG WHISTLED anti-pandemic travel ban rhetoric?
Out of curiosity are Kamala's comments close enough, or are we sticking to the tap-dancing semantics rules?

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

What is it he always says? Oh yeah...he didn't even read the article. :laugh:

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Maybe we should just accuse Biden of *DOG-WHISTLING* anti-travel ban rhetoric.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

The conservatives don't have an opinion on the ban one way or another. In fact I would argue they support it but this is how they deal with an issue that they agree with the Democrat on. They don't attack the idea.

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Personally, I'm kinda indifferent, the World is very different now compared to 18 months ago, we have vaccines, we have therapeutics, in many ways were effectively punishing S.Africa for being honest and having a great testing and tracing policy, the fact that the restrictions won't go into effect for like a week is ****ing stupid. Plus the virus is likely already here, and we just don't know it yet.
I would say though, that preventing someone with the variant from coming in, will reduce the chances that they spread to other people, so it's not without merit, I just don't know how effective the policy is at this point.

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Maybe we should just accuse Biden of *DOG-WHISTLING* anti-travel ban rhetoric.

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Bidens dog whistling good. Trump ban bad. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by ciaban2.0

Election security was something Dem's were VERY big on between 2016-2020, you know, keeping those vodka swilling Russians out, they seem far less interested in it now.

That said, I'm open to some changes in voting laws.

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No, cyber security to ensure our machines weren't hacked. They were definitely NOT very big on the type of election security you guys are interested in, though ironically Jim Crow states were; hence my point.