COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

There is plenty, you just don't even know what is going on apparently by your own admissions even lol.

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Nah **** off

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I agree there are pages and pages of it though, same type of thing over and over. Intellectual dishonesty, running from questions and clear issues in what you presented when pointed out, calling certain things you disagree with evil, and the list goes on.

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Point out something that was intellectually dishonest

I didnt run from ****. Like one post was lost in the wash hours ago that I didnt respond to.
Im literally debating these people more civilly for hours on end and bringing up points they couldn't handle and you want to come back in now and say im just doing the same things when I'm not at all. completely scummy and incorrect attack on me.

It was nate that avoided my arguments and responded with the same thing three times in a row to obstruct while insulting me, yet you bring up my response saying i won the argument as the problem and pretend it was dishonest and representative of all of my posts.
That is absolutely not fair or honest.

I called socialism evil awhile ago. It is.
I don't care that you are upset and obsessed with my recognition that socialism is evil.

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Every time you deflect to these same talking points. You did not answer a question 3 times despite having told me to ask a question. You did not respond when I quoted a specific issue with something you previously said other than deflecting (before running). That's how it went down, sorry if the reality of the situation hurts your constant attempt to attack other posters with the same old nonsense.

See how you start attacking me personally here? **** off loser? I don't have integrity despite you being the one trolling me and insulting me? I literally am noting I had the balls to debate you and you ran away. Now you are going off the rails about it.

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'every time i deflect'
thats the type of dishonest and counterproductive mischaracterization im talking about.

Yes you don't have the integrity to honestly represent what happened when you are pretending I didn't post anything valid or honest.

YOU came at me first over and over again with this absolute garbage. I'm fed up with you.

This **** is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Nah **** off



Point out something that was intellectually dishonest

I didnt run from ****. Like one post was lost in the wash hours ago that I didnt respond to.
Im literally debating these people more civilly for hours on end and bringing up points they couldn't handle and you want to come back in now and say im just doing the same things when I'm not at all. completely scummy and incorrect attack on me.

It was nate that avoided my arguments and responded with the same thing three times in a row to obstruct while insulting me, yet you bring up my response saying i won the argument as the problem and pretend it was dishonest and representative of all of my posts.
That is absolutely not fair or honest.

I called socialism evil awhile ago. It is.
I don't care that you are upset and obsessed with my recognition that socialism is evil.



'every time i deflect'
thats the type of dishonest and counterproductive mischaracterization im talking about.

Yes you don't have the integrity to honestly represent what happened when you are pretending I didn't post anything valid or honest.

YOU came at me first over and over again with this absolute garbage. I'm fed up with you.

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I came at you because you keep doing the same thing over and over to every poster. Then you did it to me as well proving my point. Now you have moved onto the personal attacks.

You are the one pushing the most extreme attacks, ignoring the most information, refusing to answer questions and I am not the only one noting it either. I gave you a chance to have a back and forth with me and you chose not to once it got into something more specific/detailed. It's very clear when honest conversation and factual information come up you tend to try and avoid/deflect. When there are some sort of insults or a chance to throw them in, that's when you respond like you have with me.

You haven't even answered my question about socialism being evil. You also never addressed the quote about masks no working despite plenty of evidence provided going against that (you deflected to random masks but that's not what was said). I was simply trying to have an actual discussion but it's essentially impossible when you only respond to attack like this and refuse to provide any substance when specifics are brought up.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

And likewise. The more you evade the more it becomes pretty clear to me this is more personally motivated than it is otherwise.

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Notice I don't speculate about you at any point here but you keep questioning my motives as if that is relevant.

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What violence? Turning people aside. I mean considering you continually think that this is specifically a race thing, sure it can be interpreted that way but the choice of being unvaccinated knows no one race. Its a decision made by many different people irrespective of skin color, nationality, gender, etc. If you make a choice to exclude yourself and everyone is playing by the same rules, that's your call. To imply its racist means we are singling one group of people based on their skin color and with exception to everyone else.

Nothing misrepresented and just following along your ideology path of flawed positions. The dodging questions is just icing on that sundae.

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I don't claim its just a race thing.
Its wrong regardless of race and effects multiple races.

Where race comes is that that the the policy will undeniably will effect a very significant percentage of black people.
A disproportionate effect on minorities being considered racist is the leftist standard that I brought up and that was discussed.

I noted the obvious double standard between this and voter ID.
You and nate took issue with it and called it a false dichotomy.
That is how this started.

If you want to take the position that the disproportionate effects are fine and not racist because it doesn't single out a group that is up to you. It looks like that is what you are finally doing now?

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You have very thin skin, dude, especially when you are telling people to "**** off loser". I don't see anyone coming remotely close to getting that personal with you. Don't cry victim then continually escalate.

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The three of you have repeatedly came at me personally in different ways.

You keep speculating things about me like I don't actually care about people and am only doing it because it might effect me, instead of focusing on addressing and admitting the merit of the points, but I haven't even been flaming you in response.
Agree or disagree?

I made an effort to keep it civil and keep it issue based and gopher comes back in here coming at me, calling me dishonest, claiming all of my posts are disingenuous and that I'm not interested in honest debate, and misrepresenting what happened.
He absolutely deserved to be told off and I stand by that.

I have clearly been honestly arguing this topic and posing legitimate problems to you guys.
Wouldn't you say many of my posts in recent hours have been issue-based even if you disagree with my position?

As a point of note, the leftist position isn’t that voter ID laws are racist because they have a disproportionate impact on black people, it’s that they are racist because they are enacted for the specific purpose of having a disproportionate impact on black people (and Democratic voters in general).

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I came at you because you keep doing the same thing over and over to every poster. Then you did it to me as well proving my point. Now you have moved onto the personal attacks.

You are the one pushing the most extreme attacks, ignoring the most information, refusing to answer questions and I am not the only one noting it either. I gave you a chance to have a back and forth with me and you chose not to once it got into something more specific/detailed. It's very clear when honest conversation and factual information come up you tend to try and avoid/deflect. When there are some sort of insults or a chance to throw them in, that's when you respond like you have with me.

You haven't even answered my question about socialism being evil. You also never addressed the quote about masks no working despite plenty of evidence provided going against that (you deflected to random masks but that's not what was said). I was simply trying to have an actual discussion but it's essentially impossible when you only respond to attack like this and refuse to provide any substance when specifics are brought up.

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Except I dont. I honestly and mostly civilly debated and discussed with people for hours after our prior discussion about civility.

You came back in at the tail end and make all of these crappy sweeping claims about me, when in fact nate was the one in the wrong there spamming the same unrelated post 3 times and insulting me.
He was the one uninterested in debating the points because he knew he was beaten.

Yet you pinned it on me and claimed all of my posts were like that.

Responding negatively to your crappy personal attacks on me does not prove your point.
Thats not how logic works.

I made a ton of posts addressing and clarifying my position on masks.

I dont have an obligation to make sure i respond to all of your posts. I missed responding to one.
I was not 'running away'.
Not responding to one awhile ago does not justify your behavior and lies about me.
You were in the wrong and came at me. That brought on my hostile response.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

I made an effort to keep it civil and keep it issue based and gopher comes back in here coming at me, calling me dishonest, claiming all of my posts are disingenuous and that I'm not interested in honest debate, and misrepresenting what happened.
He absolutely deserved to be told off and I stand by that.

I have clearly been honestly arguing this topic and posing legitimate problems to you guys.
Wouldn't you say many of my posts in recent hours have been issue-based even if you disagree with my position?

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

You can stay home and cower ..and stay mad that I bested you.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

This must be eating you up inside.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Ron Paul is a hero and you are a fool.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

You shouldn't have copied nate's homework. He got the answer wrong.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

I have no obligation to answer questions from dishonest bad actors such as yourself and valade.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

What a scumbag.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Anti-intellectual leftists having a field day with the Rand Paul stock news.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Typical anti-intellectual leftist behavior.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

low quality trolling from a low quality individual.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

No I'm recognizing you are a waste of time because you are a dishonest bad actor that is lying about me and have shown no interest in the truth or admitting wrongdoing.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Dishonest bad actor.

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Is there a limit to the number of quotes you can include in one post? I've got to be close to it.

Anyway, yes, super civil, very issue based, darn that gopher making things hostile when you've been the lovechild of Ghandi and Morpheus this entire time.

I was right when I called you intellectually dishonest pages ago, and I'm still right now. All you've done is demonstrate how accurate that was, over and over and over and over and over again.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Except I dont. I honestly and mostly civilly debated and discussed with people for hours after our prior discussion about civility.

You came back in at the tail end and make all of these crappy sweeping claims about me, when in fact nate was the one in the wrong there spamming the same unrelated post 3 times and insulting me.
He was the one uninterested in debating the points because he knew he was beaten.

Yet you pinned it on me and claimed all of my posts were like that.

Responding negatively to your crappy personal attacks on me does not prove your point.
Thats not how logic works.

I made a ton of posts addressing and clarifying my position on masks.

I dont have an obligation to make sure i respond to all of your posts. I missed responding to one.
I was not 'running away'.
Not responding to one awhile ago does not justify your behavior and lies about me.
You were in the wrong and came at me. That brought on my hostile response.

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It’s not just me that’s pointed out this happened and repeatedly asked you to answer. See how you avoided it again to play these games? That’s your choice.

Feel free to have honest debates whenever you are ready.

Edit: also see posts above plus your insults at me lol. You aren’t trying to be civil at all you just play the victim over and over in ridiculous fashion.


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Originally Posted by mngopher35

It’s not just me that’s pointed out this happened and repeatedly asked you to answer. See how you avoided it again to play these games? That’s your choice.

Feel free to have honest debates whenever you are ready.

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Whether or not its just you is irrelevant and does not make what you did right.

Take responsibility for your wrongdoing

Then I will consider answering your inquiries.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

Whether or not its just you is irrelevant and does not make what you did right.

Take responsibility for your wrongdoing

Then I will consider answering your inquiries.

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What wrong doings? Calling out the obvious?

You are the one that was calling me loser etc. and you want me to take responsibility for what again? Pointing out you very clearly are not having honest discussions and just trying to troll and attack those you disagree with is an honest belief I have of what’s happening. You actually keep making it seem more and more true. Others noting is just me saying it seems like everyone gets this but you.

If you wanted honest debate you wouldn’t insult so much while avoiding answering. Again feel free anytime to prove me wrong and do so.


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I'll say a prayer for you that he deigns to look upon you favorably and considers answering your inquiries some day, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Edit: also see posts above plus your insults at me lol. You aren’t trying to be civil at all you just play the victim over and over in ridiculous fashion.

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He is pulling quotes from several hours to 2 days ago and leaving out context.

The one about copying homework was a relevant point and is incredibly tame.

I called him a scumbag TWELVE HOURS AGO directly in response to HIM saying:
"You're an intellectually dishonest liar " without good reason.

I am not going to pretend that wasn't justified, nor will I accept your slander that it represents all of my recent posts and that I haven't been trying to be more civil.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

He is pulling quotes from several hours to 2 days ago and leaving out context.

The one about copying homework was a relevant point and is incredibly tame.

I called him a scumbag TWELVE HOURS AGO directly in response to HIM saying:
"You're an intellectually dishonest liar " without good reason.

I am not going to pretend that wasn't justified, nor will I accept your slander that it represents all of my recent posts and that I haven't been trying to be more civil.

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Ah, that's my fault for not realizing your insults and incivility had an expiration date.

I didn't edit out a single link to the original comment for anyone that wants more context.

Twelve whole hours!

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Originally Posted by natepro

Ah, that's my fault for not realizing your insults and incivility had an expiration date.

I didn't edit out a single link to the original comment for anyone that wants more context.

Twelve whole hours!

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When we discuss recent posts and a change in behavior the posts from 2 days and 12 hours ago are not representative of the recent posts.

Keep tattling, deceptively editing, and pretending you weren't bating and engaging in the same behavior.

Must be nice having an internet hall monitor come to your rescue when you were soundly intellectually beaten and insulting me to obstruct.

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Originally Posted by cambovenzi

He is pulling quotes from several hours to 2 days ago and leaving out context.

The one about copying homework was a relevant point and is incredibly tame.

I called him a scumbag TWELVE HOURS AGO directly in response to HIM saying:
"You're an intellectually dishonest liar " without good reason.

I am not going to pretend that wasn't justified, nor will I accept your slander that it represents all of my recent posts and that I haven't been trying to be more civil.

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Not a couple hours, that obviously shouldn’t count...

It’s very clear this is a pattern though. That it’s happened over that span isn’t something positive at all. That’s actually why I noted it then tried myself to have a discussion to see if your claims of it being others fault is true. You then went to extremes at me while still never having tried to have an honest debate. Not once yet despite the insults and victim playing.

At any time you can respond but you keep choosing not to. You go further and further trying to prove my beliefs of what’s actually happening and that I was right.


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