COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by valade16

As evidenced by the thousands we tragically lose every year due to lightning strikes in the US.

If you seriously believe you have a greater chance of dying from a lightning strike than Covid if you're under 50, God help you.

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https://youtu.be/gma5IUNMTn0


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Originally Posted by Bramaca

How many Americans die every year from lightning strikes? There must be a crazy amount of storms and stupid people going out in them.

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lol, exact thought I had..

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Originally Posted by ewing

https://youtu.be/gma5IUNMTn0


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What did I just watch

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

An average of around 50 people in the U.S. per year die from a lightning strike. The COVID-19 death count for Americans under the age of 50 was already near 800 in early April. Having trouble finding exact figures for the present right now but I'd guess that it's easily double that.

Either way about it, Brewer's comparison has no grounding in reality.

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Think I saw the same article. It was from April 9, total deaths was at 19800 then. Also saw an article from later that had NY rate as being between 4-5% for people under 50 which matches up. So the current numbers would probably be between 4000 and 5000.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

CDC now estimates that the mortality rate is .26%. They also believe many more Americans have been affected with the disease but don’t show any symptoms and the mortality rate is much larger in older people and people with other health conditions


https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/12...161772033?s=21

When this first started many estimates were in the 2-3% for mortality rate but it’s obviously much lower


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The CDC recomends you should drive your car at all times over 100 miles per hour to outrun COVID.

https://twitter.com/CDCtravel/status...491200/photo/1

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

CDC now estimates that the mortality rate is .26%. They also believe many more Americans have been affected with the disease but don’t show any symptoms and the mortality rate is much larger in older people and people with other health conditions


https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/12...161772033?s=21

When this first started many estimates were in the 2-3% for mortality rate but it’s obviously much lower


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In other words don't make up some ****, or tell us what someone else told you the CDC said and then link to the CDC. That's just dumb.

If anyone wants actual CDC mathematical modeling scenerio data (column 5 represents the "best guess").

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

that's a .4% fatality rate. The rate for under 50 is .05%

Keep in mind this is mathematical modeling date for trying to predict long term trends. Only includes data up till April 29th, only includes mortality stats up till March 31st. So its fuzzy guesses at best. But that's the best guess from an agency that's been treated with a heavy hand in how they communicate information to the public.

Brewers again compared to the flu... which has a .01% fatality rate in those under 50 (but this has a denominator of only symptomatic cases, while the covid one includes the 35% of people who are asymptomatic so the comparison is not apples to apples, the flue rate would be even lower.)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm
So AGAIN COVID is at least 5X more fatal than the flu, but that's still a very low number. 1 in 200 (and likely lower as that includes immuno compromised folks.

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

They also said the mortality rate in people under 50 is 0.032%. The same mortality rate in under 50 with the flu is 0.1%.

It’s obviously much more contagious than the flu because people aren’t immune to it but you have a bigger chance at getting struck by lightening and dying than you do getting covid and dying if you’re under 50


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Good God please it’s time to close your account.

I’d bet good money you can’t comprehend 98% of what was in that web page.

Somewhere between brewers and the liberal posters in this forum is the right way to open things up. And lightning...lol.

Gotta admit though, really wish the latter would stay SOP forever.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Somewhere between brewers and the liberal posters in this forum is the right way to open things up.

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Which I would've thought to be common sense to begin with. It's crazy to me that this thing is such a partisan issue. The party divide is just so extreme.



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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Somewhere between brewers and the liberal posters in this forum is the right way to open things up. And lightning...lol.

Gotta admit though, really wish the latter would stay SOP forever.

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Liberal poster and all... but I'll take a stab. We do proactive testing. Where there is a flare up we go to phase 1. Lock **** down (by county?) for 14 days. If there is not we open things back up... maybe not to Coachella-level open, that seems pretty dumb... but pretty open. People should continue to socially distance and wear masks... Who can should work from home. Until there is a vaccine or solid treatment we ask folks to limit travel. Seem reasonable?

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Originally Posted by flips333

Liberal poster and all... but I'll take a stab. We do proactive testing. Where there is a flare up we go to phase 1. Lock **** down (by county?) for 14 days. If there is not we open things back up... maybe not to Coachella-level open, that seems pretty dumb... but pretty open. People should continue to socially distance and wear masks... Who can should work from home. Until there is a vaccine or solid treatment we ask folks to limit travel. Seem reasonable?

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What do you consider a flare up? With increased testing there’s going to be more positive cases because a lot of people don’t show symptoms


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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

What do you consider a flare up? With increased testing there’s going to be more positive cases because a lot of people don’t show symptoms


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I trust the medical establishment (To a point... they have been limited in their ability to get information to the public) to come up with a reasonable benchmark even before we have a real one after more thorough testing occurs. I'm not qualified to decide what a flare up is.

The people who don't show symptoms are the MOST important to detect. Most likely they are the largest disease vector.

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Originally Posted by valade16

As evidenced by the thousands we tragically lose every year due to lightning strikes in the US.

If you seriously believe you have a greater chance of dying from a lightning strike than Covid if you're under 50, God help you.

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HUGE storm here in central Texas last night. One strike about 300 ft away scared the crap out of the sleeping dog. She shot up all her hair on end and barking like mad at the world. My daughters wanted to "go lay down in the driveway" ... I told them idiotic ideas like that lead to "statistics". They compromised by going out with the dog and the cat to sit in the van and listen to music and watch the storm.

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Originally Posted by flips333

I trust the medical establishment (To a point... they have been limited in their ability to get information to the public) to come up with a reasonable benchmark even before we have a real one after more thorough testing occurs. I'm not qualified to decide what a flare up is.

The people who don't show symptoms are the MOST important to detect. Most likely they are the largest disease vector.

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What medical establishment tho? There is none. I think this epidemic brought this to light. If there were a medical establishment somewhere in our govt, New York never would have had an outbreak. In the medical community, that was a lob pitch, it was a gimme, its what they teach you in the first day of epi.

We have insurance and pharma establishment, but I dont think we have medical. Because something has been, and continues to be, missing from our govt in this entire epidemic response.

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