COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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03-03-2021, 07:41 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

What percentage of the population needs to be vaccinated to satisfy your criteria for reopening? Just curios.

What percentage of the population needs to die before you’ll care? Just curious.
03-03-2021, 07:42 PM
nastynice

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

1 in 3 people flat out say they won't get the vaccine. Then you have the people that will say the right thing but won't actually get it. Then you have the people that just won't get around to getting it. Finally you have the people who never go get the second shot which means they don't satisfy the "fully vaccinated" criteria.

The goalposts have officially been moved to an unattainable location. Lockdown Forever.

Did you read my last post? lol

We all now have flu immunity, not because of vaccines but because we all exposed to it over time.

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03-03-2021, 07:44 PM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by valade16

And your old habit is lying. I have shown your posts before, you were advocating opening everything up all the way to last summer.

That is correct. I wanted us open about 10 months ago. Have never denied that. Anyone that reads this thread knows that's been my opinion. Don't hide it.

You're pathetically creating a stawman here because you have no ****ing leg to stand on.
03-03-2021, 07:47 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by valade16

Stop pretending you’re only now advocating for a full re-opening now that we have a vaccine. You were advocating Ivan Drago’s “if they die, they die” strategy since the beginning.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

I wasn't. Back to old habits I see. Putting words into people's mouths so you kinda have a leg to stand on in a debate.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

That is correct. I wanted us open about 10 months ago. Have never denied that. Anyone that reads this thread knows that's been my opinion. Don't hide it.

You're pathetically creating a stawman here because you have no ****ing leg to stand on.

So first you claim you weren’t advocating for a full re-opening and I was putting words in your mouth and creating a straw man... and then you admit you did indeed want us to open 10 months ago?

:laugh2:

Can’t make this stuff up.
03-03-2021, 07:53 PM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by valade16

So first you claim you weren’t advocating for a full re-opening and I was putting words in your mouth and creating a straw man... and then you admit you did indeed want us to open 10 months ago?

:laugh2:

Can’t make this stuff up.

"I wasn't" meant... wait for it.. "only now advocating for a full re-opening now that we have a vaccine."

I wasn't only now advocating for a full re-opening now that we have a vaccine.

You're trying to play some stupid little stawman rhetoric bs with me now bc you don't wanna stay on topic and answer a simple question.
03-03-2021, 07:56 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

"Fully vaccinated"

That's gonna be your go to word the rest of the way. For starters you have to wait awhile between shots. But the real kicker is... a whole lot of people are turning down the second shot.

Can you share your research on this?

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03-03-2021, 07:57 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

"I wasn't" meant... wait for it.. "only now advocating for a full re-opening now that we have a vaccine."
I wasn't only now advocating for a full re-opening now that we have a vaccine.

You're trying to play some stupid little stawman rhetoric bs with me now bc you don't wanna stay on topic and answer a simple question.

Oh, I see you literally didn’t read the rest of my post. I never played any straw man game.

My contention is you’ve always wanted us to open up and didn’t care about how many Americans died.

That’s not a straw man, that’s literally what you agreed your opinion is.

What question did I fail to answer?
03-03-2021, 07:58 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by valade16

What percentage of the population needs to die before you’ll care? Just curious.

Though if we’re answering questions Finger, how about answering this one?
03-03-2021, 08:00 PM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by valade16

Oh, I see you literally didn’t read the rest of my post. I never played any straw man game.

My contention is you wanted us to open up and didn’t care about how many Americans died.

That’s not a straw man, that’s literally what you agreed your opinion is.

What question did I fail to answer?

What percentage of the population needs to be vaccinated to satisfy your criteria for going back to normal?
03-03-2021, 08:01 PM
nastynice

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

What percentage of the population needs to be vaccinated to satisfy your criteria for going back to normal?

The herd immunity criteria.

Didnt I just answer that using real numbers..?

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03-03-2021, 08:04 PM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by nastynice

The herd immunity criteria.

Didnt I just answer that using real numbers..?

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I responded. Top of the page. If that's your new criteria we've now moved the goalposts to the parking lot. Lockdown restrictions are now justifiable FOREVER. :laugh2:
03-03-2021, 08:06 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

What percentage of the population needs to be vaccinated to satisfy your criteria for going back to normal?

I don’t know, ideally whatever the experts recommend but this being America and so full of idiots, I’d say until we reach the level the experts say or the number of people getting vaccinated drops off indicating the rest who aren’t getting it are doing so because they don’t want to; whichever comes first.
03-03-2021, 08:11 PM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by valade16

I don’t know, ideally whatever the experts recommend but this being America and so full of idiots, I’d say until we reach the level the experts say or the number of people getting vaccinated drops off indicating the rest who aren’t getting it are doing so because they don’t want to; whichever comes first.

So let's say the vaccine is readily available to all but only like 50% of the people took it. We still have restrictions?
03-03-2021, 08:14 PM
valade16

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

So let's say the vaccine is readily available to all but only like 50% of the people took it. We still have restrictions?

I mean if we get to 50% and the # of people getting vaccinated drops off a cliff and it seems like Covid restrictions would then go on Indefinitely, we’d really have no choice but to open back up or force people to get the vaccine, which is untenable.

So at that point we’d open up and if any places start to spike in cases, they’d hopefully go under some form of restriction until it’s under control, but that would happen regionally based on hotspots and not country or even statewide.
03-03-2021, 09:10 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

So let's say the vaccine is readily available to all but only like 50% of the people took it. We still have restrictions?

Finger do you work?

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