COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by valade16

They matter, just not as much as those who died because they're still, ya know... alive.

We can give them money to help and jobs when this is over, but we can't bring the half a million dead back to life.

Or put it like this: which would you rather lose? Your job or your life?

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I mean the people who committed suicide because they lost everything in this, you can’t bring them back either

My main issue was shutting everything down when it wasn’t even warranted in most areas


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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...avirus-vaccine

You don’t even have to hide that you only do your job for favors and if people kiss your ***

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

I mean the people who committed suicide because they lost everything in this, you can’t bring them back either

My main issue was shutting everything down when it wasn’t even warranted in most areas

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Except the number who died by suicide is nowhere near the number dead from Covid. It’d be like saying we shouldn’t wear seatbelts because even though it saves a ton of lives, sometimes a person will get trapped by them in a car and die because they can’t get out.

Yes, those are tragedies, but again. Would you rather 50,000 die via suicide or 500,000 die via Covid?

I believe that we do not know yet the confirmed number of suicides in the US since mid-march 2020 (if we do, I don’t know where the figures are) so right now all this about an increase is speculation.

Furthermore, the actual suicide rate has been climbing steadily since the turn of the century (from 10.7 per 100,000 in 2001 to 14.2 per 100,000 in 2018), so a certain increase, sadly, might have been expected anyway, despite the onset of the pandemic.

All that said, suicide remains a public health problem, given that roughly 50,000 Americans choose it per year.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Purchasing and administering are two different things. There's been plenty of talk about Trump's regime not having a secure logistical plan to administer all those vaccines, not that he was entirely concerned with that being a lame duck president.

Even the second article you linked said that as of January 14th, only 29 million doses had been shipped to all 50 states and US territories. A third of them were used. We are far ahead of that now in terms of actual doses being delivered and administered.

I mean the Biden administration has over delivered in terms of his promise. I know its difficult for you to admit that though.

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Really? You mean when more time goes by more production is possible? I would hope the administration would be doing more. You have this belief based on the above that when the vaccines would be approved they'd magically have millions if not billions of doses ready to go. Not shocking at all that you can't admit you are wrong again and that your hatred has to find some way to praise President Biden and hate more on President Trump.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Yes because half a million dead Americans is not true damage.

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1) It's exaggerated
2) Of course those numbers matter, the number affected outside of that is a much larger, longer lasting, and quite possibly deadly event.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Except the number who died by suicide is nowhere near the number dead from Covid. It’d be like saying we shouldn’t wear seatbelts because even though it saves a ton of lives, sometimes a person will get trapped by them in a car and die because they can’t get out.

Yes, those are tragedies, but again. Would you rather 50,000 die via suicide or 500,000 die via Covid?

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It depends. Which of those numbers of deaths can be attributed to Democrats? Because that number is worse.

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Originally Posted by brett05

Really? You mean when more time goes by more production is possible? I would hope the administration would be doing more. You have this belief based on the above that when the vaccines would be approved they'd magically have millions if not billions of doses ready to go. Not shocking at all that you can't admit you are wrong again and that your hatred has to find some way to praise President Biden and hate more on President Trump.

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Its not just production. The Trump administration promised doses they couldn't deliver on then under delivered in terms of providing a legitimate plan to administer the doses that were available.

Coming from the guy who continually brings nothing to the table and likes to wrap up all his counter points in what he thinks are witty one liners.

Just like the other thread, I'll wait to see if you have something worth responding to.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Its not just production. The Trump administration promised doses they couldn't deliver on then under delivered in terms of providing a legitimate plan to administer the doses that were available.

Coming from the guy who continually brings nothing to the table and likes to wrap up all his counter points in what he thinks are witty one liners.

Just like the other thread, I'll wait to see if you have something worth responding to.

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But if Trump said that he had a plan in a forceful manner, then that makes it so. That's how he looks at the world. Putin denied aiding him by hacking the DNC forcefully and thus Trump believed him.

The Trump administration had limited control on the actual production of vaccines but absolutely had control on pre-ordering them. In that respect the Biden administration benefits from the increased production of doses making more available. But the Trump administration absolutely fell short in putting together a quality plan of disseminating and administering vaccines.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Its not just production. The Trump administration promised doses they couldn't deliver on then under delivered in terms of providing a legitimate plan to administer the doses that were available.

Coming from the guy who continually brings nothing to the table and likes to wrap up all his counter points in what he thinks are witty one liners.

Just like the other thread, I'll wait to see if you have something worth responding to.

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You are right, the Administration made promises that it was not fully capable of making. They made statements long before knowing how the vaccines would be required to be kept.

But yes, it's production. Anyone can see it. Even you.

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Originally Posted by brett05

You are right, the Administration made promises that it was not fully capable of making. They made statements long before knowing how the vaccines would be required to be kept.

But yes, it's production. Anyone can see it. Even you.

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Its not just production.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Yes because half a million dead Americans is not true damage.

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We don’t even know if that’s the true number or not. There’s a lot of deaths who were listed as “COVID” who all had significant health issues besides that.


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Cases have dropped by 77%, according to the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-ha...il-11613669731
We may have our herd immunity by the end of April, which would mean an end to the lockdowns and that the country can open up shortly thereafter.

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Originally Posted by catman

We may have our herd immunity by the end of April

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lol, hmm..

I've been noticing the sharp decline as well and have been wondering if we are turning that corner on herd immunity.

We really have no idea what the true positive rate has been this whole time, we mostly only tested people coming in for symptoms.

I'm not counting on it but that would be some welcomed news.

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