COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

According to them they never had a massive outbreak. So their fake numbers are consistent across the board.

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Yes they did, wuhan. That was the first covid outbreak on planet earth.

You have to look at the exponential growth patterns to understand the spread.


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Originally Posted by nastynice

And what was south Korea's response compared to China's?

Again, you have to look at what's happening before you can start deciding which numbers look fake to you.

The reason we are having a disconnect is because you are coming at it from a political angle while I am coming at it from scientific angle. Politically I understand, I fully understand chinas iron fist rule, their bad treatment of others, their bad track record, and that's fine, that's fair to use that against them.

But you can't keep on claiming false numbers with nothing to back it up. Look in america, different states had different levels of restrictions and there's a clear correlation between social distance and lower numbers. You can't just start screaming conspiracy because 2 states have varying covid cases, you have to look at what each state is doing. It makes sense that behavior effects spread. Its not a conspiracy.

Like I said, you should look for yourself. There are dozens of entities from around the world.detailing Chinas covid response. You can read any of them and their numbers will make much more sense. They took an eradication approach, it makes sense that the numbers follow such.
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A country of 1.4 billion people is having 20 cases a day? Okay, sure. Not to mention not having recorded a death in 8 months. Look, I don't care what the Chinese government says. They lie. They're extremely corrupt. They execute millions of their own people. They execute those who partake in disclosing information that is anti-Chinese government.

You're not selling me on every reported case (numbers I don't believe anyway) being treatable. Even if they are doing this flawless job, COVID is going to take the life of someone there who has contracted it. Meanwhile the Chinese government insists no one has died from COVID since April. General %s of COVID deaths in relation to case numbers tells us that's not remotely true. China won't be immune to that.

You can't back it up because China doesn't disclose information. I don't live there nor do I know someone who does but the reputation of their government doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt irrespective of what they make public.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

A country of 1.4 billion people is having 20 cases a day? Okay, sure. Not to mention not having recorded a death in 8 months. Look, I don't care what the Chinese government says. They lie. They're extremely corrupt. They execute millions of their own people. They execute those who partake in disclosing information that is anti- Chinese government.

You're not selling me on every reported case (numbers I don't believe anyway) being treatable. Even if they are doing this flawless job, COVID is going to take the life of someone there who has contracted it. Meanwhile the Chinese government insists no one has died from it since April. General %s of COVID deaths in relation to case numbers tells us that's not true. China is not immune to that.

You can't back it up because China doesn't disclose information. I don't live there nor do I know someone who does but the reputation of their government doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt irrespective of what they make public.

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So essentially you are saying you do not believe it is possible to eradicate a disease?

China had eradicated SARS about a decade back, so you think that was all fabricated as well?

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Originally Posted by nastynice

So essentially you are saying you do not believe it is possible to eradicate a disease?

China had eradicated SARS about a decade back, so you think that was all fabricated as well?

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SARS wasn't close to being as widespread. Only 5,000 cases in China and 8,000 worldwide. Obviously it not nearly as contagious.

No I don't think China is doing anything to eradicate something that has shown to be very transmittable almost everywhere else in the world. I do think they do a very good job of controlling the information that gets out and covering up how many people are dying there from COVID.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

No I don't think China is doing anything to eradicate something

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Then you just have no clue what china has done to fight covid. That explains why you have such a hard time believing their numbers. Obviously if you look at behavior in America it seems impossible to have a grip on this virus. But other countries are behaving very differently.

In china, the average citizen knows to ventilate their home a few hours every day. In America, many citizens dont even know what the effect of a mask is. It's a day and night difference.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Then you just have no clue what china has done to fight covid. That explains why you have such a hard time believing their numbers. Obviously if you look at behavior in America it seems impossible to have a grip on this virus. But other countries are behaving very differently.

In china, the average citizen knows to ventilate their home a few hours every day. In America, many citizens dont even know what the effect of a mask is. It's a day and night difference.

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Taking significant measures to mitigate spread doesn't equal eradication. You do understand that right?

Look, you're not telling me something I don't understand. The US has done an awful job with this virus from the minute it got here and many other countries have been measurably more proactive in fighting it. That doesn't mean they can stop it in its entirety. This is a highly communicable virus that you can get even if you take all the measures necessary to stop it.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Taking significant measures to mitigate spread doesn't equal eradication. You do understand that right?

Look, you're not telling me something I don't understand. The US has done an awful job with this virus from the minute it got here and many other countries have been measurably more proactive in fighting it. That doesn't mean they can stop it in its entirety. This is a highly communicable virus that you can get even if you take all the measures necessary to stop it.

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It CAN equal eradication in any given pandemic. That's why the word eradication is used in the context of pandemics. Back when our first cases came up in January I thought our approach was going to be an eradication approach. We're the richest and most advanced country in the world, why wouldnt it be?

Well one thing you dont seem understand is the lengths to which they went to in their covid response. Regardless, that's fine, you don't have to buy their numbers. I guess it was a flavor of the month story, it must have its merit.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

It CAN equal eradication in any given pandemic. That's why the word eradication is used in the context of pandemics. Back when our first cases came up in January I thought our approach was going to be an eradication approach. We're the richest and most advanced country in the world, why wouldnt it be?

Well one thing you dont seem understand is the lengths to which they went to in their covid response. Regardless, that's fine, you don't have to buy their numbers. I guess it was a flavor of the month story, it must have its merit.

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Because the cultures are different and the president is a moron. Not to mention, state governments didn't take this seriously enough when reported cases started popping up (IE what Cuomo did in New York). Again, American exceptionalism and the right who constantly tote freedoms over common sense only complicate the battle against the virus further.

No I'm aware of the links you sent me. I don't believe they've eradicated the virus there. We're arguing in circles. I think if you asked most people they would say the same thing about how the Chinese haven't been and are not honest about the human toll the virus is taking. You want to believe otherwise, fine.

Common sense will tell you that the likelihood of no one dying from COVID in China for the last 8 months is almost impossible.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Common sense will tell you that the likelihood of no one dying from COVID in China for the last 8 months is almost impossible.

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It's a bold claim for sure. But we're talking about a country which was more effective at fighting covid across the world in italy than we were in our own backyards. We're talking about a country which is still currently taking this more serious with single digit daily cases than america is with dozens of major cities on the brink of an outbreak.

If I'm gonna believe that claim from anyone, THATS who I'm gonna believe it from.

This is some of what they did
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwCdyiDCw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Min3y-toaUU

Whether they really eradicated it or not, who knows, but they certainly took the measures to give them a chance to do so.


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Similar to the claim that North Korea has has no cases at all.

I swear I do not understand why anyone (on any part of the political spectrum) gives a ratsass about China and their response to Covid-19.

We did not know anything for sure; we still don’t know; and I doubt we will never know.

Meanwhile, Mr. Nero....

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Originally Posted by nastynice

Then you just have no clue what china has done to fight covid. That explains why you have such a hard time believing their numbers. Obviously if you look at behavior in America it seems impossible to have a grip on this virus. But other countries are behaving very differently.

In china, the average citizen knows to ventilate their home a few hours every day. In America, many citizens dont even know what the effect of a mask is. It's a day and night difference.

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Wow. Big fan of China there, huh? Big fan of "masks" also. The above is a perfect example of a person who believes everything said that is negative to the United States and will believe anything that a corrupt media says.

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Originally Posted by nastynice

It's a bold claim for sure. But we're talking about a country which was more effective at fighting covid across the world in italy than we were in our own backyards. We're talking about a country which is still currently taking this more serious with single digit daily cases than america is with dozens of major cities on the brink of an outbreak.

If I'm gonna believe that claim from anyone, THATS who I'm gonna believe it from.

This is some of what they did
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwCdyiDCw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Min3y-toaUU

Whether they really eradicated it or not, who knows, but they certainly took the measures to give them a chance to do so.


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You will be having a lot of fun with a brain dead moron as POTUS for the next four years or as long as he lasts Just go right ahead believing China. Amazing.

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Originally Posted by Bird of Prey

Wow. Big fan of China there, huh? Big fan of "masks" also. The above is a perfect example of a person who believes everything said that is negative to the United States and will believe anything that a corrupt media says.

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Big fan of letting epidemiologists dictate what is done during a pandemic.

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Originally Posted by catman

Similar to the claim that North Korea has has no cases at all.

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Yep.

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Originally Posted by blams

Big fan of letting epidemiologists dictate what is done during a pandemic.

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Excuse me, sir. I saw on a extremist right wing blogsite that PPE and social distancing does nothing to stop the spread of the virus and that its just the flu. That doctors and hospitals are fabricating the amount of cases and COVID related deaths for money. I also know more than these "epidemiologists" you speak of because I researched COVID-19 on OANN, NewsMax, and Fox News. The best sources on the subject have to be Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh though. My freedoms best not be infringed upon either.

I know I'm missing some talking points but whatever.