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By the way Spanish Flu was not of Spanish origin. In 1918 during WW 1 the belligerent nations noticed their troops dieing of the flu but tried to keep it secret. The Spaniards were neutral and their press reported about the influenza killing people and thus it became known as the Spanish Flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Day, I am offended by this foolish post that suggests I am defending China's government. It is intentionally inflammatory and completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
It is not sarcasm. It is suggesting that now is not the time to point the finger.
NYC cases essentially doubled in a day. It increased by 1000 cases. Even if the social distancing works, it won't be noticed for a couple weeks. NYC could double every day for the next week or more. If the distancing doesn't work, it will be insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
You don’t want to point fingers when it comes to China but are silent when others here are pointing fingers at trumpQuote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Day, this is also offensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
Suggesting that we take the higher ground in this moment and not take blame is a smarter way to behave
This is not the time to be petty with other nations regardless of what they say
It is more important to work together and stopping the insults is a better way to behave. The world k own the truth
You think clown is taking sides? That's offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
You find me offensive? I find you offensive
For finding me offensive
Hence if I should draw the line any fences
If so to what extent if at
Any, should I go? 'Cause it's getting expensive
Being on the other side of the courtroom on the defensive
They say I cause extensive
Psychological nerve damage to the brain when I go to lengths this,
Far at other people's expenses
I say your all just too damn sensitive
It's censorship
And it's down right blasphemous
- Eminem
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You're not
You
When you're
Hungry
-Snickers
Everyone here needs a snickers
Snickers suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by goingfor28
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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
I wouldn’t call them villains, but idiots. They are human beings too but come on. Why didn’t they Warn others that this stuff is bad. They silenced the whistleblowers. And that doesn’t bother you Clown?
All we saw in Dec was shrouded bodies being dumped in trucks or left in hallways in hospitals. We all thought this was just going to stay in China. Well the real problem was people coming back to the US.
Thank god Trump put out that hated travel ban on Jan 31. Just imagine if a damn Democrat was President? No travel ban til mid to late Feb would have been my guess and only after cases going through the roof would be the only thing to get their reaction to it and put out that much needed travel ban.
Again, crush Trump all you want for him trying to not get people to go into a major panic. Deep down he knew it was real. I think Initially he thought a few cases would come and scatter through the nation and once he started to listen to Dr Fauci he changed his tune. But he will be a hero once this passes and will get 4 more years because of this outbreak IMO.
That’s if the world doesn’t end firstQuote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
FWIW: For the first time since the crisis began, China today reported no new local infections for the previous 24 hours. Experts have said at least 14 straight days without new infections are needed for the outbreak to be considered over.
■ New C.D.C. data showed that nearly 40 percent of hospitalized patients in the U.S. were aged 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.
■ As school systems shut across the U.S., administrators are pleading for guidance from the federal government.
■ The virus has now infected and killed more people in Europe — over 82,000 cases and more than 3,400 dead — than it has in China. “This is serious,” Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany said in a televised address on Wednesday. “Take it seriously.” NYT
Hey Klown did you see Trump enacted that law from WW2 that allows for factories to work on crucial things we. The first one he setup was to make all the things first responders , DR's . nurse ect will make sure all the crucial gear and suppliers to keep them as safe and healthy as possible . good call on your part
I did see that. It is a very smart choice and I applaud him doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayners81
Look. I don't love Trump. I don't hate him but I hope he rises to the occasion. He has done some really good things.
Giving governors the ability to get stuff done without asking him, was huge. They may have different routes to acquire equipment and rather than wait to get the ok from the Fed Gov, he green lighted them.
Sending the ship to NYC is huge.
Doc, to put that number into clearer perspective, there is roughly 20% of cases that need to be hospitalized.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
So that 40% is out of that 20%. So 10% of the cases result in people of that age group in the hospital
This is a snarky and unnecessary comment. It is insulting and insinuating that all people in here posting are acting in a way that they need to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
NY has seen their Coronvirus cases increase by 80% in 24 hours, Yikes!
Dr, how can you even believe China?Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Seriously?
Can we believe our own administration? I really don't want to politicize a national emergency.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
I would think with WHO and other international agencies involved, China is less likely to offer "alternative facts." But I am not denying it's possible. As I prefaced, FWIW.
Of the 14,597 people to be tested so far, nearly 5,000 were tested on Tuesday, helping explain why the number of new cases jumped for 1,000 in just 24 hours to 2,382 people. More testing reveals more accurate data. We should have done it a month sooner!Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Full peer reviewed study has been released by Didier Raoult MD, PhD https://drive.google.com/file/d/186B...ew?usp=sharing.
After 6 days 100% of patients treated with HCQ + Azithromycin were virologically clear.
p-value <.0001
Chloroquine for COVID19
Prevention & Treatment of COVID19 using Chloroquine
covidtrial.io
Doc, I read the article and it said 20 of 22 had significantly , lower viral loads. Did I miss something?Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Eminem sucks. Now he does at least. His old stuff was good.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCSownsU
I am not sure. I see the conflict. What I read:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral
carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration
than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to
hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.
The primary endpoint was virological clearance at day-6 post-inclusion. Secondary outcomes
were virological clearance overtime during the study period, clinical follow-up (body
temperature, respiratory rate, long of stay at hospital and mortality), and occurrence of side-effects.
When comparing the effect of hydroxychloroquine treatment as a single drug and the effect of
hydroxychloroquine and azithromyc in combination, the proportion of patients that had
negative PCR results in nasopharyngeal samples was significantly different between the two
groups at days 3-4-5 and 6 post-inclusion (Table 3). At day6 post-inclusion, 100% of patients
treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combination were virologicaly cured
comparing with 57.1% in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine only, and 12.5% in the
control group (p<0.001). These results are summarized in Figures 1 and 2. Drug effect was
significantly higher in patients with symptoms of URTI and LRTI, as compared to
asymptomatic patients with p<0.05.
Sooooo why don't we just treat everyone with this hydroxychloroquine and azithromucin combo? Zero clue what either of them are but if it's curing everyone, give that ish to everyone!
My stance on it has done a complete 180. A week or so ago when **** really started to hit the fan I definitely thought no big deal, just another flu. Thought people were crazy and needed to calm the F down.
After seeing the numbers skyrocket over the past week I've chosen to exercise my right at work to take time off so that I can stay home. I get paid for 2 weeks by my work then can use my PTO which I still have almost all of, or can just be off with no pay. PTO resets in 3 months or so, so might as well use it up now.
I have a 2 yr old and a 5 month old. Seeing stuff about kids getting it, a 7 month old I saw got pneumonia. It's just not worth the risk.
I work in peoples houses doing home theater installs for Geek Squad. Basically asking to get it or give it to someone if I had it and didn't know it. I would say that 60-70% of our clients are 55+ years old, the prime candidates for being royally screwed if they were to get it.
Somehow, even in San Francisco where they're on complete lockdown, Geek Squad is considered an essential business and still running. Only part of my company I could maybe see as essential is appliance install/repair. With so many people home, refrigerators, stoves, washer/dryer are definitely things people need. But imo the home theater side of things should not be happening right now. Nobody NEEDS a new TV, surround sound, smart home devices, etc.
Definitely going to need to make another grocery store run soon. Got enough stuff for a week or 2 just in case when I went a week ago. Looks like we'll need more.
At this point it's just a trial, too small a sample. They will probably do more testing and if they find it to be effective on larger samples they could fast track it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goingfor28
You had said 100% treated were virologically clear. I didn’t see that in the review. I didn’t know if I had missed somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
It’s super encouraging regardless.
Plan for a month or more. Better to be readyQuote:
Originally Posted by goingfor28
You can always use what you buy so it isn’t wasteful
They said cured, I read it (erroneously) as cleared. "At day6 post-inclusion, 100% of patientsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combination were virologicaly cured"
The silver lining if proved to be efficacious, using already approved drugs has obvious advantages. Hurdles to approval have been cleared. Side effects are known. Generics are often available.
Not politicizing. But even people who like China said their numbers are WRONG!Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
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Originally Posted by drt1010
You defend China more than you defend Trump.And I get your reasons from what you saw in the 70s but this is far more serious.....
Sooner?Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Always after the fact Dr.
Why didn’t China stop or warn the World of THIS sooner?
Do you ever think about that?
There are many thing surfacing about how poorly we as a country are responding to this compared to the rest of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Our lack of faith in all of our elected officials and government is evident in the way we are handling this
We kinda suck. We are selfish, foolish and spoiled because we have been sold that we are number 1. We are not. We are part of the world community and this is a stark awakening as to how poor we are at accepting our own flaws as a nation
This is from decades of a government that has pitted us against them even when the “them” is literally your neighbor and friend.
This is about our country and our divide.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
It has been decades in the making
This has nothing g to do with any president
This has to do with misinformation we have been fed to the point that we don’t believe our own officials to have our best interest in mind
This is the end of the world . We will never go back to normal again
Ya, my problem is I've eaten all the really good stuff like snack food and frozen pizzas first. Should just buy myself About 50 of them next time I go, if there are even any available lol. I haven't been in a week so not sure what to expect. I'm sure things like bread, pasta, Mac and cheese, are all gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Nicky, a vital month of testing time was lost in the US because of a bad strategy and an unreliable CDC test. Testing in the United States has been dogged by both bureaucratic bungling and technical errors, leaving public health authorities largely ignorant of the true extent of the outbreak.
Federal officials waited until early March to invite large private labs, which can run thousands of tests a day, to begin testing, leaving the US with a backlog of swab samples even as case numbers double every two days.