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Originally Posted by drt1010

Agree. He had strong support. I am hoping the young people who got aboard the Bernie bus also take a ride on the Biden train.

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Why on earth would Bernie Supporters do the opposite of their beliefs and vote for Joe Biden? That makes zero sense.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Biden has been a US senator since 1973 and was vice president under one of the more popular presidents in American history. He was a safe choice for the Democrats. I don't believe all of it had to do with Bernie being too left. The country is trending left anyways. More young people are affiliating themselves with progressive ideologies than ever before.

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Because they are brainwashed and think that everything is free.

They live by the mantra of IF IT IS FREE IT IS FOR ME.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

I am well aware of the hatred for Castro among the Cuban community here in the US. I am also well aware of the lingering resentment.

There is no denying the literacy rates increased substantially. Was it a political tool used to indoctrinate the young? Yes.

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Quit saying one little good deed by him as a way of wiping out all of the bad. Why would you even defend that guy?

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Dr, do I do I need to list all of the bad from Castro in Cuba that just wipes away everything that was good from him? How on earth can you walk around all of the bad from him and come to the only good? You could do the exact same with Trump but you won’t because he is Trump.

And I know this about Bernie so save the bullspit. I’m just pointing something else out that you always talk highly of.

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List the major things Trump has done to positively impact our education, healthcare, infrastructure, racial equality and social service systems?

If you want to list the economy, ok. I agree. It was looking very good before this happened. (A bit of a paper house but it still looked very good)

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Quit saying one little good deed by him as a way of wiping out all of the bad. Why would you even defend that guy?

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He isn't. He clearly stated that he knew the hatred.

Even his comment on literacy stated that it was a tool he used to indoctrinate

Read.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Trust me, they aren't even reporting half the crimes that are going on in there

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But was a joke from Day 1.

THAT was NOT a protest in Seattle.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Why on earth would Bernie Supporters do the opposite of their beliefs and vote for Joe Biden? That makes zero sense.

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Because Bernie will ask them to vote for Biden. Because they will want Trump out of office.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

But Clown, Joe Biden is the best the Democrats had?

That is beyond laughable. 4 years to prepare and Joe Biden is the one? Let’s all laugh together, shall we?

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It's all relative Nick. Compared to tRump he's FDR, Reagan, and JFK ! So the jokes on you. Laugh all you want. Biden may not have been the best choice, I would put his experience and record up against tRump any day and twice on Sunday. D's had one objective, beat Trump. In their opinion Biden was the one. As I have said many times before, his choice for VP is critical and getting Bernies base to get on board is equally so. If they stay home, like they did in 2016, we could have a closer race. If you are honest with yourself you can not ignore the cracks forming in Trumps base. The foundation is unstable. (He cut corners again, used cheap concrete and non union labor!) Many are beginning to see thru the facade, particularly seniors.

I have a feeling had the D's picked Bernie or Harris or Amy or Pete, you would be saying the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Biden is going to pander to Blacks by choosing Harris as his runningmate. And people call trump a phoney

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His entire campaign from his bunker will be just about coronavirus and Social injustices. Nothing more and nothing less. The Dems are happy is is hiding in his bunker because of the gaffes that were not made in the past 3 months.

I love how people on here critique Trump for going into his bunker during the civil unrest yet they won’t even talk about Biden hiding in his hole. And save the coronavirus excuse. Hell, even Cuomo had pressers and still does. He doesn’t live in a hole. Why can’t Joe Biden practice social distancing with his campaigning? You know why? Because they are trying to minimize what damage he could do to himself and are using the virus as a shield. This is an election year, come out and campaign for Christ sakes.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Dr, do I do I need to list all of the bad from Castro in Cuba that just wipes away everything that was good from him? How on earth can you walk around all of the bad from him and come to the only good? You could do the exact same with Trump but you won’t because he is Trump.

And I know this about Bernie so save the bullspit. I’m just pointing something else out that you always talk highly of.

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Focus Nicky, focus. I was debating one issue, literacy and education and Bernie's opinion of such. This had MUCH less to do with Castro and the communists and much more to do with Bernie's defense of such. As I said in closing, "I am certain you will come back with a litany of atrocities perpetrated by the communists in Cuba, none of which I will deny or refute."

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Biden is going to pander to Blacks by choosing Harris as his runningmate. And people call trump a phoney

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He panders to anything. If they all ate shite sandwiches then he would agree with them as well and take a huge bite during a photo op.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Until we start seeing larger support for 3rd party candidates, these are our choices. Its very rare that the Democrats or the Republicans produce a solid presidential candidate.

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But the Democrats HAD 4 years to get ready!

And Joe Biden is the best they had to offer?

Hell Joe seems like a likable guy, one you can have a beer with at a baseball game. But that is the best the Dems have? Seriously? He is the one to face Trump?

I believe a lot of the Dems will vote for Trump just because of how angry they are with the choice that represents their side. This will be their PROTEST VOTE in some ways. How ironic is that?

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Yeah for sure. Even Obama and McCain in 2008. It just goes to show as well that even after all the backlash Trump has gotten for the virus, the economy, his response to the protesting, he still has a real shot to win the election. Its crazy the Democrats can't find someone to invigorate their base because this would be a slam dunk for them if they could.

My issue is what things look like on Election day. All these polls, all these rallies (if there was no virus) how do they translate to poll numbers? Yeah people won't come out for a Trump rally but will they still vote for him on November 3rd? Yeah most people polled will say they support Biden but do those people come out to vote?

Like you said, if Biden doesn't get help from Bernie's base, he's in deep ****. That will be the difference between him being president in January or Trump getting another 4 years. I will say though. Trump doesn't have a lot to campaign on. The country is in the toilet right now with all the jobs lost, all the coronavirus cases, the everyday protesting, etc. Its not good optics for his side.

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The economy was roaring prior to the virus.

Blaming the economy on Trump NOW is laughable.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Why on earth would Bernie Supporters do the opposite of their beliefs and vote for Joe Biden? That makes zero sense.

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Why? First, they are not as antithetical as you suggest. I would gather they are far more at odds with Trump than Biden. So you see them voting for Trump? Or simply staying home? One I would say is an impossibility, the other more realistic. Imo, what needs to happen is for Bernie to get more involved in the campaign, get more vocal in his support of Biden.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

His entire campaign from his bunker will be just about coronavirus and Social injustices. Nothing more and nothing less. The Dems are happy is is hiding in his bunker because of the gaffes that were not made in the past 3 months.

I love how people on here critique Trump for going into his bunker during the civil unrest yet they won’t even talk about Biden hiding in his hole. And save the coronavirus excuse. Hell, even Cuomo had pressers and still does. He doesn’t live in a hole. Why can’t Joe Biden practice social distancing with his campaigning? You know why? Because they are trying to minimize what damage he could do to himself and are using the virus as a shield. This is an election year, come out and campaign for Christ sakes.

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Fact check Nick. Biden was out campaigning when FOX accused him of hiding out at home.

Pressers and campaigning are two very different elements.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Mush, again, the rate of infection has increased. It's not just that there is more testing. The virus is spreading more rapidly.

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And at the same time people who have it are not all going to their deathbeds. I am not in no way trying to minimizing it. I’m just saying not every single case is the same.

Nobody will still give me a proportional chart with regards to the severity of each case.

The media on,y seems to focus on the death. And yes, one death from this is horrible. But when less than one percent of the population has this virus I find it a little crazy for an entire shutdown of the human race.


How do you know the spread is worse NOW than in March? We didn’t have the testing as we do now.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

List the major things Trump has done to positively impact our education, healthcare, infrastructure, racial equality and social service systems?

If you want to list the economy, ok. I agree. It was looking very good before this happened. (A bit of a paper house but it still looked very good)

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Clown, this is not about Trump. This is about Castro.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

He isn't. He clearly stated that he knew the hatred.

Even his comment on literacy stated that it was a tool he used to indoctrinate

Read.

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I know what he said Clown. My point is I wouldn’t even ever mention anything good with Castro to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Because Bernie will ask them to vote for Biden. Because they will want Trump out of office.

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But that didn’t help Hillary.

Oh wait, The Russians got in the way.......cough, cough......

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Focus Nicky, focus. I was debating one issue, literacy and education and Bernie's opinion of such. This had MUCH less to do with Castro and the communists and much more to do with Bernie's defense of such. As I said in closing, "I am certain you will come back with a litany of atrocities perpetrated by the communists in Cuba, none of which I will deny or refute."

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All I was saying is the one good deed gets washed away with all of the bad. It is a waste of time even talking about the tiny good thing as the walls cave in with all of the bad.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Why? First, they are not as antithetical as you suggest. I would gather they are far more at odds with Trump than Biden. So you see them voting for Trump? Or simply staying home? One I would say is an impossibility, the other more realistic. Imo, what needs to happen is for Bernie to get more involved in the campaign, get more vocal in his support of Biden.

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But he is then going against his own laurels in a lot of ways. So basically just put down your true beliefs?

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

But the Democrats HAD 4 years to get ready!

And Joe Biden is the best they had to offer?

Hell Joe seems like a likable guy, one you can have a beer with at a baseball game. But that is the best the Dems have? Seriously? He is the one to face Trump?

I believe a lot of the Dems will vote for Trump just because of how angry they are with the choice that represents their side. This will be their PROTEST VOTE in some ways. How ironic is that?

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....or, much to the contrary the disgruntled Trump supporters in the middle and scores of seniors who are fed up, may just vote for Joe.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

All I was saying is the one good deed gets washed away with all of the bad. It is a waste of time even talking about the tiny good thing as the walls cave in with all of the bad.

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Again, you miss the point. This wasn't about Castro or the communists. This was about the singular issue of Bernies defense of the literacy initiative. It did work.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

But he is then going against his own laurels in a lot of ways. So basically just put down your true beliefs?

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I think you are over stating the ideological gap.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

But he is then going against his own laurels in a lot of ways. So basically just put down your true beliefs?

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Seriously Nick? Who do you believe Bernie is more closely aligned, Trump or Biden?

I think Biden and Bernie may agree on many core fundamental issues, but differ on the details and execution.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

List the major things Trump has done to positively impact our education, healthcare, infrastructure, racial equality and social service systems?

If you want to list the economy, ok. I agree. It was looking very good before this happened. (A bit of a paper house but it still looked very good)

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Klown not trying to be contrary but my wife is a hospital admin for the VFW's in the area. She hates Trump but she said in the roughly 4yrs Trump has been in office he absolutely prioritized the VFW. According to her things that used to take months to get scheduled, like specialty DR's, MRI's ect now are taking a normal amount of time for our health care system, not that that means our health care system is some grand prize.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Yeah for sure. Even Obama and McCain in 2008. It just goes to show as well that even after all the backlash Trump has gotten for the virus, the economy, his response to the protesting, he still has a real shot to win the election. Its crazy the Democrats can't find someone to invigorate their base because this would be a slam dunk for them if they could.

My issue is what things look like on Election day. All these polls, all these rallies (if there was no virus) how do they translate to poll numbers? Yeah people won't come out for a Trump rally but will they still vote for him on November 3rd? Yeah most people polled will say they support Biden but do those people come out to vote?

Like you said, if Biden doesn't get help from Bernie's base, he's in deep ****. That will be the difference between him being president in January or Trump getting another 4 years. I will say though. Trump doesn't have a lot to campaign on. The country is in the toilet right now with all the jobs lost, all the coronavirus cases, the everyday protesting, etc. Its not good optics for his side.

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I could never support the McCain Palin ticket. One of my closest friends grew up next door to her in Wasila, AK, where she got her start in politics, I got to know her through playing hoops with her nephews. In my experience, she was a media whore, a liar, 2 faced person and her favorite nephew is a cry baby ***** on the basketball court. Her nephew @19 had to be flown home from Ireland 2 weeks into the trip because he was so homesick.

I absolutely never could have voted for a ticket that she was on

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Klown not trying to be contrary but my wife is a hospital admin for the VFW's in the area. She hates Trump but she said in the roughly 4yrs Trump has been in office he absolutely prioritized the VFW. According to her things that used to take months to get scheduled, like specialty DR's, MRI's ect now are taking a normal amount of time for our health care system, not that that means our health care system is some grand prize.

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I don't take that as contrary at all.
I love that he did that. Any person who serves in the military, should be guaranteed a home, food and healthcare.


I was legitimately asking Mush. My point was, I can't stand Trump but I can see things he's done that are good.
I've mentioned this before but if he can pull off a trade agreement with certain African countries and get us out of China's pocket? It would be amazing.

To me, I want a president who does for everyone what he did for the VFW. He has fallen. very, very short in other social services. (For Georgie- So you know, Social services are socialist. But I think we need schools, public healthcare, state run infrastructure...I know you don't. I know you think the education system in this country is as gooded as eet cain beee)

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

But that didn’t help Hillary.

Oh wait, The Russians got in the way.......cough, cough......

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Bernie didn't really do that for her.


(Because she's an egotistical **** and didn't think she needed his help)

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Biden is going to pander to Blacks by choosing Harris as his runningmate. And people call trump a phoney

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Talk about racist comments.

Not the Black Community or Black People, just. Blacks?
Are you sure your last name ins't Bunker?

You continue to out do yourself.

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If that ain't sowing the seeds, I don't know what is.

He is setting the stage for a really crappy situation.
How will those who were furious at Gore for the ballot boxes respond to Trump saying the election was stolen?

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

I don't take that as contrary at all.
I love that he did that. Any person who serves in the military, should be guaranteed a home, food and healthcare.


I was legitimately asking Mush. My point was, I can't stand Trump but I can see things he's done that are good.
I've mentioned this before but if he can pull off a trade agreement with certain African countries and get us out of China's pocket? It would be amazing.

To me, I want a president who does for everyone what he did for the VFW. He has fallen. very, very short in other social services. (For Georgie- So you know, Social services are socialist. But I think we need schools, public healthcare, state run infrastructure...I know you don't. I know you think the education system in this country is as gooded as eet cain beee)

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Simple and not too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by kinkotheclown

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if that ain't sowing the seeds, i don't know what is.

He is setting the stage for a really crappy situation.
How will those who were furious at gore for the ballot boxes respond to trump saying the election was stolen?

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russia if you are listening......

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Unless those two guys were standing within 6 feet of the people attending I don’t see how it is Something to get very alarmed over

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So thousands of people there and you don't think they were near anyone? Okay........

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Talk about racist comments.

Not the Black Community or Black People, just. Blacks?
Are you sure your last name ins't Bunker?

You continue to out do yourself.

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Political correctness has ruined this Country.

You can’t say this you can’t say that before some person calls you a racist or takes things out of context and puts you in the same basket as other racist that are true racist.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Political correctness has ruined this Country.

You can’t say this you can’t say that before some person calls you a racist or takes things out of context and puts you in the same basket as other racist that are true racist.

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I agree about PC

I’m not talking about misinformed or or unaware racism

I’m talking flat out
But when someone repeatedly, makes racist comment,
Repeatedly supports racist protocols and views.

I’d say they’re racist And not a little bit. I would say unapologetically racist

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

But the Democrats HAD 4 years to get ready!

And Joe Biden is the best they had to offer?

Hell Joe seems like a likable guy, one you can have a beer with at a baseball game. But that is the best the Dems have? Seriously? He is the one to face Trump?

I believe a lot of the Dems will vote for Trump just because of how angry they are with the choice that represents their side. This will be their PROTEST VOTE in some ways. How ironic is that?

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The Republican party produces duds too. The fact that Trump was the Republican party nominee in 2016 should tell you that. They had 8 years to find a candidate and a business man/reality show star who was a former Democrat won their party's nomination. It's funny you don't see the irony in that as you type it but what's new I guess.

I'm not a Joe Biden fan but his resume says he can be president. 30+ years as a US senator, 8 years as a VP, etc.

I dont think you're going to see a lot of Dems voting for Trump. I do think the bigger problem is Election day turnout. If Biden loses, its because he couldn't get enough people to vote for him.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

The economy was roaring prior to the virus.

Blaming the economy on Trump NOW is laughable.

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It really doesn't matter. If it happens under someone's watch, people are quick to ask "What are you doing to fix it?". So far Trump has done little. They've produced one stimulus bill that hasn't produced infrastructure money to put people back to work and the Republican party has been sitting on the 2nd one for over a month.

You would think if Trump was concerned about his poll numbers he would be pushing the Senate to vote on a new stimulus bill.

People blamed the financial crisis in 2008 on Obama and that happened previous to him taking office. What's fair is fair. Same with people giving Trump sole credit for the economy doing so well previous to the virus when Obama's economy was doing very well in 2015 and 2016 before Trump became president.

They must be making significant progress towards one if he is making a statement like that.