Coronavirus politics and news.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Dr, ROBUST?

Really?

Please list the growth numbers of every 1/4 for his entire8 years....

Show me ROBUST.

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When Obama took office he inherited an economy that was in the teeth of the Great Recession. In 2009 personal consumption dropped 2.5% year over year and business investment fell off a cliff, down 21.2%. Both segments recovered and started the current 10-year plus economic expansion.

<< Using the same GDP metric of consumer spending plus business investment adjusted for inventory changes, Obama’s last three years in office had growth rates of at least 2.17% and as high as 3.06%.

For Trump the high point was 2.83% in 2018 when the tax cut seems to have had the largest impact and even fell short of Obama’s 2014 and 2015 growth rates of 3.06% and 3.05%, respectively.

In 2019 the adjusted growth rate was only 1.99%. This is less than Obama’s three last years in office and less than five of his last six years. >>

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#692458a84fed

ps OK I lied, I will do the work for you! :D

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

We had 2.5 months to get it together?

You mean the entire world.

In mid Jan The WHO said human transmission was it happening in China with the virus.

Figure it out Clown. Countries believed the WHO and all got burned.

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We knew about the virus in December. We knew how dangerous it could be in January

It took till mid march for the president to acknowledge that, while he still commented on being prepared, which was also untrue.

True or false, we knew about this virus in December? True. (\Possibly earlier)

True or false, even after learning how transmissible it was in mid January, the president said it would be fin e, we were ready, it would go away...? True
Do I fault any leader for not taking more aggressive steps in January or early February? No.

True or false, in mid February, the president was still saying the same stuff? True.


We knew about it for 2.5 months. We did very little. We are still doing very little

Making things political on this discussion. I for one have critized Diblasio and Cuomo and Trump. Most people here have. Yet, some here defend Trump and decry liberals with their last breath. It's not even close. Republicans cry and complain. We have pages upon pages of sheer silence when asked direct questions to Posada and RRZ.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

We knew about the virus in December. We knew how dangerous it could be in January

It took till mid march for the president to acknowledge that, while he still commented on being prepared, which was also untrue.

True or false, we knew about this virus in December? True. (\Possibly earlier)

True or false, even after learning how transmissible it was in mid January, the president said it would be fin e, we were ready, it would go away...? True
Do I fault any leader for not taking more aggressive steps in January or early February? No.

True or false, in mid February, the president was still saying the same stuff? True.


We knew about it for 2.5 months. We did very little. We are still doing very little

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Why do you ask him ? If you want to know his opinion just watch Lou Dobbs.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

This is a big part of it too. You can't tout the economy by solely using the stock market. How does that account for 15% of people being out of work and all of these people struggling to make ends meet?

The stock market has leveled out but consumer data is going to see stocks in significant decline with all these people jobless. Hard for people to spend money on extraneous things when they are blowing through their savings on needed expenses. That will eventually reflect in market losses.

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We absolutely need to create jobs that deal with the infrastructure of the country at all levels. The WPA project was a huge reason we got out of the depression. I think something similar can be done. They could do it with Tech as well.
Fixing roads and bridges along with the Installation of massive biofuel, solar and wind farms would be a great start.

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

Cuomo ducked up. I don't care what way you look at it. He should have never sent covid patients back to nursing homes until they were cleared. There was plenty of space for them outside of the nursing homes, the uss comfort was here for a few weeks and saw a total of 200 patients, Javits center had plenty of space, amongst other makeshift hospitals we had in the area.

NY is one of the states that doesn't require minimum staffing at nursing homes. That's been a huge problem for years. They never did anything to fix it. Cuomo has been in office nearly a decade. He knew about it and did nothing. That's on him.

**** him. He killed 100s if not 1000s of nursing home patients.

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This place I'm at is so shorthanded it isn't funny. Been that way for a while now and it really reflects in the care that people are getting. It's not a good situation.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

We absolutely need to create jobs that deal with the infrastructure of the country at all levels. The WPA project was a huge reason we got out of the depression. I think something similar can be done. They could do it with Tech as well.
Fixing roads and bridges along with the Installation of massive biofuel, solar and wind farms would be a great start.

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Traditional understanding of the economy are over. This virus will change how society views schools and restaurants and clubs for example. Churches and other institutions as well. Business as usual is over. We may need less fossil fuel as people drive less to work and to recreation. What we thought was the quick fix to help the economy when Trump took over like fossil fuel production in the US in gas, coal, natural gas, shale is not sustainable right now. If Trump can repatriate manufacturing here I will vote for him again. I voted for him cause he promised to bring manufacturing back to the US but it those jobs die not return

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Is it just me or do liberals, democrats just piss and moan about everything?

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Like some posters here, huh?

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Clown, I don’t ignore the things you said I ignore.

I disagree with some of their stances not all.

Christ Clown, I wanted Florida to stay closed until June 1 and see how things are before starting Phase 1.

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I wish you could make up your mind whether or not you wanted to wait till June 1st. I said that the other day and you said it wasn't correct. Which is it, Nicky?

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Originally Posted by drt1010

^^ True Nick, but you also piss and moan about the car wash and getting a hair cut! Which is it?

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After riding thru the car wash did he smoke a cigarette ?

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Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

This place I'm at is so shorthanded it isn't funny. Been that way for a while now and it really reflects in the care that people are getting. It's not a good situation.

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I'm really sorry to hear that. I truly hope you get the care you need and can make a full recovery as soon as possible to return home.

Every time my agency is called to get a patient from a nursing home that needs to go to a hospital, we see first hand the lack of staff the places have.

Hopefully this is a wake up call for Cuomo and NYS DOH and they change the requirements for the way they do minimum staffing at nursing homes. I douht it because they've had 8+ years to change it and haven't done ****.

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In my past job I used to visit Nursing homes in the Bronx and Manhattan for the Federal Govt daily for years. Nursing homes in NYC and State are worrisome. For one thing they are always seeking new residents and send out staff to hospitals and homeless shelters to get new residents. Many patients are people who are homeless often due to mental illness. They are not elderly just otherwise homeless. Now people from this community could have brought corona in unless the homes stopped this process when Covid was widely known. But I can tell you these facilities have cut back on their staff over the years and the quality of food has declined as well.

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Originally Posted by flimflamman

After riding thru the car wash did he smoke a cigarette ?

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Originally Posted by flimflamman

In my past job I used to visit Nursing homes in the Bronx and Manhattan for the Federal Govt daily for years. Nursing homes in NYC and State are worrisome. For one thing they are always seeking new residents and send out staff to hospitals and homeless shelters to get new residents. Many patients are people who are homeless often due to mental illness. They are not elderly just otherwise homeless. Now people from this community could have brought corona in unless the homes stopped this process when Covid was widely known. But I can tell you these facilities have cut back on their staff over the years and the quality of food has declined as well.

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I worked in group homes and nursing homes before finishing graduate school. The conditions are poor for the reasons you mentioned but its also a staffing issue. The fact is staff is not paid enough for the work they do and its a job that has a ton of turnover. I remember working in one group home IRA for about a year and I must have seen 100-150 people quit or get fired in that time.

Its hard to ask 1 or 2 people to take care of 15-20 individuals over the course of 8 hours. Now you're asking those same staff who make 16 bucks an hour to handle people who have a potential deadly virus that is spreading like wild fire in those facilities. They're overmatched.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

^^ True Nick, but you also piss and moan about the car wash and getting a hair cut! Which is it?

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Dr, I was being facetious with my comments about a car wash and a haircut.

Btw, I got my car wash today. Personally I would have kept the car wash part open but I would have closed the vacuuming area to avoid touching anything....

I still have not got a haircut since mid March

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

We absolutely need to create jobs that deal with the infrastructure of the country at all levels. The WPA project was a huge reason we got out of the depression. I think something similar can be done. They could do it with Tech as well.
Fixing roads and bridges along with the Installation of massive biofuel, solar and wind farms would be a great start.

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The thing is once you see these big companies release their quarterly earnings like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Alibaba, etc, they're going to see a significant drop in revenue. Who is going to pick buying the new Iphone over paying rent? Its one of those things where the market is in some correction (right now) from all the huge losses but it can't hedge those things forever.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

We knew about the virus in December. We knew how dangerous it could be in January

It took till mid march for the president to acknowledge that, while he still commented on being prepared, which was also untrue.

True or false, we knew about this virus in December? True. (\Possibly earlier)

True or false, even after learning how transmissible it was in mid January, the president said it would be fin e, we were ready, it would go away...? True
Do I fault any leader for not taking more aggressive steps in January or early February? No.

True or false, in mid February, the president was still saying the same stuff? True.


We knew about it for 2.5 months. We did very little. We are still doing very little

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We are on the downside of the curve Clown.

How was that doing very little?

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

We are on the downside of the curve Clown.

How was that doing very little?

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Clueless.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Clueless.

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Bro, we are just about back!

We have this thing beat bro.

It looks like there will be no baseball or any pro sports for that matter in California, Michigan and Washington. Those States want to wait until a vaccine is ready before reopening the State.

Unreal!

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

We are on the downside of the curve Clown.

How was that doing very little?

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Had he started far sooner, we would be through it with far fewer deaths
If he had ordered that making tests, testing and contact tracing were the highest priority, we would be through it with far fewer deaths.
If he had supported states asking for help instead of making it political, we'd be through it with far fewer deaths.

If he had acted promptly instead of working about his image, his poll numbers, his ratings and his wallet, we would be through it with far fewer deaths.

DO you remember a president so ridiculed by what world community? I don't. I don't remember this country ever being so blatantly laughed at because of its leader.
George W? Not even close.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

It looks like there will be no baseball or any pro sports for that matter in California, Michigan and Washington. Those States want to wait until a vaccine is ready before reopening the State.

Unreal!

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How dare they put human lives over human entertainment?!?

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Originally Posted by flimflamman

Traditional understanding of the economy are over. This virus will change how society views schools and restaurants and clubs for example. Churches and other institutions as well. Business as usual is over. We may need less fossil fuel as people drive less to work and to recreation. What we thought was the quick fix to help the economy when Trump took over like fossil fuel production in the US in gas, coal, natural gas, shale is not sustainable right now. If Trump can repatriate manufacturing here I will vote for him again. I voted for him cause he promised to bring manufacturing back to the US but it those jobs die not return

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I truly hope the first part of your post comes true.

For the second part, if he can get the deals in place to move a good deal of production to Africa, if he actually gets the solar industry and biofuel industries cranking along with infrastructure repair, he wins with ease.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

It looks like there will be no baseball or any pro sports for that matter in California, Michigan and Washington. Those States want to wait until a vaccine is ready before reopening the State.

Unreal!

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More like those states don’t want to give up the control they gave themselves From this pandemic

This is awesome. Scroll down to the video and watch it all.

https://mashable.com/article/kimmel-...baby-deepfake/

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

I truly hope the first part of your post comes true.

For the second part, if he can get the deals in place to move a good deal of production to Africa, if he actually gets the solar industry and biofuel industries cranking along with infrastructure repair, he wins with ease.

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Forget bio-fuel and solar or any alternative energy. He's married to big oil and will remain so. Check his donor list.

Plus, windmills are known to cause cancer. ;)

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Originally Posted by Posada20

More like those states don’t want to give up the control they gave themselves From this pandemic

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Hmmmm the control they gave themselves? How exactly does that work?

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Hmmmm the control they gave themselves? How exactly does that work?

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It was those same state governors along with cuomo that said it was up to them and not trump , to decide when to open up again . Or did you forget that already ?

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Originally Posted by Posada20

It was those same state governors along with cuomo that said it was up to them and not trump , to decide when to open up again . Or did you forget that already ?

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It was always their decision or did you forget that?

In addition Trump abdicated all responsibility, or did you forget that? Recall, "I take no responsibility"

Constitutional scholars, who argued the president lacks the power to implement a nationwide lockdown, said the president also doesn't have the authority to order the states to reopen.

That doesn't mean the president can't be influential in encouraging states to open businesses back up, particularly in states led by Republican governors closely aligned with the president. But it does mean he can't order states or businesses to reopen.

My original point is that the government in the states we are talking about , are clearly taking advantage of their power given to them to extend and increase their control over the people .

I bet LA county residents are thrilled. Their lockdown was just extended 3 more months.

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Originally Posted by goingfor28

I bet LA county residents are thrilled. Their lockdown was just extended 3 more months.

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I think it's impossible to know what's going to happen in a week or two and these things shouldn't be extended so long. They should be based on accurate and current data. They don't know what it's going to be like in 3 months.

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

I think it's impossible to know what's going to happen in a week or two and these things shouldn't be extended so long. They should be based on accurate and current data. They don't know what it's going to be like in 3 months.

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They should probably prep for riots. Zero chance everybody in LA just happily agrees to that.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

My original point is that the government in the states we are talking about , are clearly taking advantage of their power given to them to extend and increase their control over the people .

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One could argue they have the best interest of their residents / constituents in mind. Rather than buy into Trump's grand plan to sacrifice the old, feeble and expendables for a rise in the stock market, they choose to protect and preserve life! Maybe, just maybe their interests aren't as dubious and self serving as you suggest?

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

I think it's impossible to know what's going to happen in a week or two and these things shouldn't be extended so long. They should be based on accurate and current data. They don't know what it's going to be like in 3 months.

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And then there are governors accused of lying about or hiding deaths

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...242552796.html


That's why this is going to get so ****ed. The government will lie to us about this. They will hide deaths. They will hide positive tests

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

And then there are governors accused of lying about or hiding deaths

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...242552796.html


That's why this is going to get so ****ed. The government will lie to us about this. They will hide deaths. They will hide positive tests

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According to our fearless leader, why encourage testing or admit to positive tests and deaths, "it makes you look bad !" This is the prevailing mindset in "some" states run by "certain" governors.

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Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

I wish you could make up your mind whether or not you wanted to wait till June 1st. I said that the other day and you said it wasn't correct. Which is it, Nicky?

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June 1 was the date I wanted. I then wanted to see how the backend of the curve was going and to do it in phases.

But to wait until a vaccine is ridiculous.
Every State is different with the virus.

Why should all follow New York?

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Had he started far sooner, we would be through it with far fewer deaths
If he had ordered that making tests, testing and contact tracing were the highest priority, we would be through it with far fewer deaths.
If he had supported states asking for help instead of making it political, we'd be through it with far fewer deaths.

If he had acted promptly instead of working about his image, his poll numbers, his ratings and his wallet, we would be through it with far fewer deaths.

DO you remember a president so ridiculed by what world community? I don't. I don't remember this country ever being so blatantly laughed at because of its leader.
George W? Not even close.

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Clown, he doesn’t care about what people think of him. Neither do I.

Laugh at?

Does people laughing at our Country really affect YOU? It doesn’t affect ME. Who cares.....

Image doesn’t mean anything to me....

Obama, Bush, Clinton. ect would have experienced the same number of deaths IMO. They would have relied on the WHO and got burned as well Clown.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Clown, he doesn’t care about what people think of him. Neither do I.

Laugh at?

Does people laughing at our Country really affect YOU? It doesn’t affect ME. Who cares.....

Image doesn’t mean anything to me....

Obama, Bush, Clinton. ect would have experienced the same number of deaths IMO. They would have relied on the WHO and got burned as well Clown.

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Sorry Nicky I have to disagree. Trump was left a road map, a paint by numbers manual on a pandemic response plan. He ignored it. His response was pitiful. People died as a result.

Obama's White House National Security Council left the Trump administration a detailed document on how to respond to a pandemic. The document, whose existence was publicly revealed by Politico in March, is called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents.

"We literally left them a 69-page Pandemic Playbook.... that they ignored," Ronald Klain, a campaign adviser to Democratic candidate Joe Biden and the former Obama administration Ebola response coordinator, wrote on Twitter.
The playbook -- 40 pages plus appendices -- contains step-by-step advice on questions to ask, decisions to make, and which federal agencies are responsible for what. It includes sample documents that officials could use for inter-agency meetings. And it explicitly lists novel coronaviruses as one of the kinds of pathogens that could require a major response.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...council-149285

https://twitter.com/RonaldKlain/stat...15062271455233