Coronavirus politics and news.

I respect and agree with what Cuomo is saying and I agree in those tweets, I saw them earlier as well.

I still don't believe he did as good of a job as he could have and that won't change. I think what he has done with nursing homes was terrible and lead many to their unnecessary deaths. I have seen first hand the problems in nursing homes that he is aware of and has neglected since taking office as govener of NY.

For the record, that doesn't mean others haven't handled it worse than him, because they have.

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But everyone talks about the politics Democrats play.

The House is expected to vote on the package as soon as Friday, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said there is no “urgency.” The Senate will wait until after Memorial Day to act.

There’s $200 billion in “hazard pay” for essential workers on the front lines of the crisis.

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The House is expected to vote on the package as soon as Friday, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said there is no “urgency.” The Senate will wait until after Memorial Day to act.

Pelosi drew on U.S. history — and poetry — to suggest “no man is an island” as she called on Americans to respond to the crisis with a strategy of science, virus testing and empathy.

“We are presenting a plan do what is necessary to deal with the corona crisis and make sure we can get the country back to work and school safely,” she said.

“There are those who said, ‘Let’s just pause,’” she added. “Hunger doesn’t take a pause. Rent doesn’t take a pause. Bills don’t take a pause."

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Can't wait till Republicans in the Senate strike this down and don't amend it either.

The 200 billion dollars towards hazard pay for essential workers should be included no matter how the bill is amended.

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

I don't buy the poll #s.

Cuomo may have handled it better than Trump, but he's made many mistakes himself.

Funny, all these polls and in my 35 years, I've never been asked.

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Nobody cares about your opinion.

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^^:hi5: simple really.

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I have to think the Dems are monitoring what the polls say if it were a Trump Cuomo election.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

I have to think the Dems are monitoring what the polls say if it were a Trump Cuomo election.

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Well if Trump is so concerned with being re-elected, then he should among the biggest advocates to help American people in this time. I understand that's not his constituency but this man is determined to win in November. Trying to help American people in an unprecedented time would go a long way instead of doubling down on his base and siding with the protesters to run back to work.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

Well if Trump is so concerned with being re-elected, then he should among the biggest advocates to help American people in this time. I understand that's not his constituency but this man is determined to win in November. Trying to help American people in an unprecedented time would go a long way instead of doubling down on his base and siding with the protesters to run back to work.

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Interesting article about how Biden is winning with the "haters" right now. Meaning people that hate both of them are favoring Biden where they favored Trump last time.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Interesting article about how Biden is winning with the "haters" right now. Meaning people that hate both of them are favoring Biden where they favored Trump last time.

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I don't know what the right strategy for Biden is. Trump buries himself a lot of the time but I would like Biden to be more vocal in what his plan is to help American people through this if he becomes president. Either way, it makes sense. Trump is not doing himself any favors. Most people support the shutdown, are scared to go back to work, want more testing, want a plan in place where American people see further aid, etc.

Him constantly doubling down on misinformation while downplaying the consistent threat this is him not thinking or not getting good political advice. We're up to almost 83,000 deaths now.

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Nobody cares about your opinion.

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Oh.

Reported for insulting feelings I don't have.

Wait.. Not really.

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I don't know what the right strategy for Biden is. Trump buries himself a lot of the time but I would like Biden to be more vocal in what his plan is to help American people through this if he becomes president.

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He can't even properly spit out one sentence. The dude mumbles and bumbles and makes zero sense when he talks. There's no way he can audibly tell the country what his master plan to help America would be. It would literally be a bunch of random words that don't go together in any way, shape or form.

I can't believe Biden and Trump are the best each side could do. 'Murica!

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He can't even properly spit out one sentence. The dude mumbles and bumbles and makes zero sense when he talks. There's no way he can audibly tell the country what his master plan to help America would be. It would literally be a bunch of random words that don't go together in any way, shape or form.

I can't believe Biden and Trump are the best each side could do. 'Murica!

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Clown is going to run, still debating on VP. No, it won't be you.

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He can't even properly spit out one sentence. The dude mumbles and bumbles and makes zero sense when he talks. There's no way he can audibly tell the country what his master plan to help America would be. It would literally be a bunch of random words that don't go together in any way, shape or form.

I can't believe Biden and Trump are the best each side could do. 'Murica!

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Biden's political advisors and campaign personnel have probably told him let Trump do the talking. Donald makes himself look more like a fool everyday. Whether its his twitter rants, his misinformation, lies, his fights with reporters, etc. He doesn't conduct himself as an American president.

I'm not a fan of Biden but he made his way through the debates and won the candidacy. If Democrats didn't think he could be the president, they would have went elsewhere. If the choices are Trump and Biden, I'm taking the lesser of two evils and that is clearly Biden.

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

I don't buy the poll #s.

Cuomo may have handled it better than Trump, but he's made many mistakes himself.

Funny, all these polls and in my 35 years, I've never been asked.

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yeah i've never been polled before either. I always figured that because i live in such a liberal state and conservatives rarely win anything that they figure polling in Washington is a waste of time/money kinda like OR, CA and NY

I don't trust polls whatsoever anymore. Satan's sister had close to a 10 point lead? heading into election Tuesday and they were predicting a landslide in her favor and we all saw they way that worked out.

I've said it before but the idea this is the 2 best candidates that the parties could come up with is horrible IMO? Its quite obvious that the majority of our best and brightest don't go into politics like they used to around the WW's

I know Trump is a orange villain right now because of the way he mishandled this virus and other things. That said at some point re opening and rebuilding the economy will become the top priority again.

Just a question for u guys, again not looking to start a fight, just curious of the boards opinion. Obviously after this Virus is under control the top priority is going to get the economy going again. You can say Trump did some bad or stupid thing but i don't think u can challenge his success with the economy. Who would u rather see try to fix the economy between Biden and Trump. I feel bad saying this but when it comes to the economy i'll take Trump in a landslide.

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yeah i've never been polled before either. I always figured that because i live in such a liberal state and conservatives rarely win anything that they figure polling in Washington is a waste of time/money kinda like OR, CA and NY

I don't trust polls whatsoever anymore. Satan's sister had close to a 10 point lead? heading into election Tuesday and they were predicting a landslide in her favor and we all saw they way that worked out.

I've said it before but the idea this is the 2 best candidates that the parties could come up with is horrible IMO? Its quite obvious that the majority of our best and brightest don't go into politics like they used to around the WW's

I know Trump is a orange villain right now because of the way he mishandled this virus and other things. That said at some point re opening and rebuilding the economy will become the top priority again.

Just a question for u guys, again not looking to start a fight, just curious of the boards opinion. Obviously after this Virus is under control the top priority is going to get the economy going again. You can say Trump did some bad or stupid thing but i don't think u can challenge his success with the economy. Who would u rather see try to fix the economy between Biden and Trump. I feel bad saying this but when it comes to the economy i'll take Trump in a landslide.

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Trump hangs his hat on the stock market as a successful economy.

It matters, but not as much as Trump would lead you to believe.

Example: We are in a bad place in regards to the overall economy and the stock market has leveled out and has rebounded better than it should have, given the circumstances.

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Trump hangs his hat on the stock market as a successful economy.

It matters, but not as much as Trump would lead you to believe.

Example: We are in a bad place in regards to the overall economy and the stock market has leveled out and has rebounded better than it should have, given the circumstances.

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This is a big part of it too. You can't tout the economy by solely using the stock market. How does that account for 15% of people being out of work and all of these people struggling to make ends meet?

The stock market has leveled out but consumer data is going to see stocks in significant decline with all these people jobless. Hard for people to spend money on extraneous things when they are blowing through their savings on needed expenses. That will eventually reflect in market losses.

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Trump hangs his hat on the stock market as a successful economy.

It matters, but not as much as Trump would lead you to believe.

Example: We are in a bad place in regards to the overall economy and the stock market has leveled out and has rebounded better than it should have, given the circumstances.

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I agree that he hangs his hat to much on the stock market but before the the Covid outbreak we had one of the best overall economies in our countries history. I believe it was in 9-12 months our economies GDP grew more under Trump than the whole time with Obama. He also worked out some much better trade deals, brought jobs back from other countries and we had the lowest unemployment for both white people but especially minorities that we've had in the last 50yrs plus.

The guy might not have handled alot of things well but i don't think you can argue what his policies did for this country economically. Plus we have become completely oil independent which is huge.

That was the point of my question, when things start opening up all the way again the biggest focus is going to be getting the economy going full speed again. Biden was part of the Obama administration, that had had one of the worst and slowest growing economy in the last 60+ yrs. I'm just trying to make a point that i don't think Bidens the guy thats going to get our economy going full speed again, IMO. Thats not an endorsement of Trump, i'm simply saying that i don't believe of the 2,Biden has the better chops to get the economy going again

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This is a big part of it too. You can't tout the economy by solely using the stock market. How does that account for 15% of people being out of work and all of these people struggling to make ends meet?

The stock market has leveled out but consumer data is going to see stocks in significant decline with all these people jobless. Hard for people to spend money on extraneous things when they are blowing through their savings on needed expenses. That will eventually reflect in market losses.

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I don't disagree with u but before the pandemic pretty much every sector of the economy was roaring . Trump might have said and done some stupid things but he proved he knows how to run the economy.

Can u imagine if our econ markers were roughly in the same place as they were when Obama was in office when the pandemic started, we'd be way worse off then we could dream of being right now. All the jobs Trump brought back, the new trade deals giving us the upper hand and drilling for oil on US soil which has allowed us to not have to be reliant on the OPEC and becoming oil independent all were very good things for our economy

I know your going to disagree with me and thats fine. Trump, especially since the pandemic started has done/said some boneheaded things since he has been POTUS. That said IMO u have to give him credit for the economy, prior to the virus. It will be very interesting to see what he does between now and the election with the economy. I still believe if he can get the signs back to being positive and it doesn't look like it going to take 4 plus yrs to recover, he'll still beat Biden.

If the Dems could have actually found a good candidate then i would guess this election would have been over before it even got really serious because of the way Trump handled the pandemic but because the best they could do is Biden, with all his weaknesses, the door is still wide open for Trump to win again imo

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I agree that he hangs his hat to much on the stock market but before the the Covid outbreak we had one of the best overall economies in our countries history. I believe it was in 9-12 months our economies GDP grew more under Trump than the whole time with Obama. He also worked out some much better trade deals, brought jobs back from other countries and we had the lowest unemployment for both white people but especially minorities that we've had in the last 50yrs plus.

The guy might not have handled alot of things well but i don't think you can argue what his policies did for this country economically. Plus we have become completely oil independent which is huge.

That was the point of my question, when things start opening up all the way again the biggest focus is going to be getting the economy going full speed again. Biden was part of the Obama administration, that had had one of the worst and slowest growing economy in the last 60+ yrs. I'm just trying to make a point that i don't think Bidens the guy thats going to get our economy going full speed again, IMO. Thats not an endorsement of Trump, i'm simply saying that i don't believe of the 2,Biden has the better chops to get the economy going again

I don't disagree with u but before the pandemic pretty much every sector of the economy was roaring . Trump might have said and done some stupid things but he proved he knows how to run the economy.

Can u imagine if our econ markers were roughly in the same place as they were when Obama was in office when the pandemic started, we'd be way worse off then we could dream of being right now. All the jobs Trump brought back, the new trade deals giving us the upper hand and drilling for oil on US soil which has allowed us to not have to be reliant on the OPEC and becoming oil independent all were very good things for our economy

I know your going to disagree with me and thats fine. Trump, especially since the pandemic started has done/said some boneheaded things since he has been POTUS. That said IMO u have to give him credit for the economy, prior to the virus. It will be very interesting to see what he does between now and the election with the economy. I still believe if he can get the signs back to being positive and it doesn't look like it going to take 4 plus yrs to recover, he'll still beat Biden.

If the Dems could have actually found a good candidate then i would guess this election would have been over before it even got really serious because of the way Trump handled the pandemic but because the best they could do is Biden, with all his weaknesses, the door is still wide open for Trump to win again imo

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Trump hangs to much of his hat on the stock market. It's more important to him than other aspects.

That was all I was saying, lol.

Personally, I don't think Biden will beat Trump. Trump will definitely do a better job with the economy than Biden, I don't have a doubt about that.

Biden doesn't have a clear cut plan to boosting the economy, as far as I know.

Moving production out of China to Africa would be a huge win for Trump, a huge **** you to China, it would of course also be a huge win for us and Africa. Moving production back here would be much better if course, but given the choice of China or Africa, give me the latter 10x out of 10.

Africa lacks the infrastructure that China has, so I wonder how it would work. Guess companies would have to build up and invest a lot of money into production. Wonder if they'd be willing to take that risk on. Africa certainly has the availability of workforce though. Much of Africa is poor and unemployed.

But also, keep in mind. Africa is on the rise, 7 of the top 20 on the rise markets/economies in recent years. China played a large part in that. Wonder if Africa would want to take part in a economic war between US and China.

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yeah i've never been polled before either. I always figured that because i live in such a liberal state and conservatives rarely win anything that they figure polling in Washington is a waste of time/money kinda like OR, CA and NY

I don't trust polls whatsoever anymore. Satan's sister had close to a 10 point lead? heading into election Tuesday and they were predicting a landslide in her favor and we all saw they way that worked out.

I've said it before but the idea this is the 2 best candidates that the parties could come up with is horrible IMO? Its quite obvious that the majority of our best and brightest don't go into politics like they used to around the WW's

I know Trump is a orange villain right now because of the way he mishandled this virus and other things. That said at some point re opening and rebuilding the economy will become the top priority again.

Just a question for u guys, again not looking to start a fight, just curious of the boards opinion. Obviously after this Virus is under control the top priority is going to get the economy going again. You can say Trump did some bad or stupid thing but i don't think u can challenge his success with the economy. Who would u rather see try to fix the economy between Biden and Trump. I feel bad saying this but when it comes to the economy i'll take Trump in a landslide.

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I don't think he fixed the economy. He provided a sugar rush that eventually was going to crash. I agreed in cutting taxes but the manner in which it ultimately was done and the corporate tax rate that came to pass was more then most conservatives asked for. That was discussed when it passed. It can't really be cut further responsibly thus leaving the federal government much of a short term remedy to stimulate recovery. When you cut taxes you just pass the costs to States, localities, and to consumers. We will see. I have to admit Trickle down economics always worked great for a few years then the bill comes later, usually the next administration has to fix it. Look at the economy for the last half of the 20th century to now.

Trickle down economics will never work in a capitalistic society, people are too greedy.

A majority of corporations don't pass the money onto the employees. So, I whole heartedly agree.

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Trickle down economics is a great idea in theory, the problem being is rarely do owners/corporations pass down enough of the profits for the concept to actually work properly. I don't get why Owners/ Corporations have to be so greedy and try to accumulate more wealth than their families could send in 1 life time.

With the tax cuts, getting better trade deals, bringing back/ moving manufacturing and oil independence Trump definitely created an environment to jump start the economy. IMO Biden doesn't have a solid economics plan or a great plan for anything else for that matter.

My only point is Trump did get the economy and he will be far better getting it going again than Biden would IMO

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I don't think he fixed the economy. He provided a sugar rush that eventually was going to crash. I agreed in cutting taxes but the manner in which it ultimately was done and the corporate tax rate that came to pass was more then most conservatives asked for. That was discussed when it passed. It can't really be cut further responsibly thus leaving the federal government much of a short term remedy to stimulate recovery. When you cut taxes you just pass the costs to States, localities, and to consumers. We will see. I have to admit Trickle down economics always worked great for a few years then the bill comes later, usually the next administration has to fix it. Look at the economy for the last half of the 20th century to now.

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Sugar rush?

You mean Obama did the sugar rush....I’m sorry you were confused.

I’m not even talking about the Stock Market. I don’t use the stock market.

But how is the lowest unemployment with all people in the US since well before 1970 just a sugar rush?

The economy was roaring. Quit being ignorant. Obama’s was a sugar rush. The numbers don’t lie.

The low unemployment, the growth of the economy was high and was hitting numbers that the Dems said would never reach.

Please save it.

Obama has the worst economic numbers for an 8 year run. And I’m talking about on his 2nd term so I’ll throw out his first term. I gave him 4 free years and he still had horrible growth.

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Trickle down economics will never work in a capitalistic society, people are too greedy.

A majority of corporations don't pass the money onto the employees. So, I whole heartedly agree.

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What percentage of the pie should it be for all in order to be fair?

Owners, executives, mid level management, workers?

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-wa...041051480.html

But everyone talks about the politics Democrats play.

The House is expected to vote on the package as soon as Friday, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said there is no “urgency.” The Senate will wait until after Memorial Day to act.

There’s $200 billion in “hazard pay” for essential workers on the front lines of the crisis.



Can't wait till Republicans in the Senate strike this down and don't amend it either.

The 200 billion dollars towards hazard pay for essential workers should be included no matter how the bill is amended.

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This virus has turned the Country try I to partisan politics.

It is us vs them crap.

Why is there a divide on coronavirus?

The Dems want to stay hidden in their holes and do NOTHING OR EVEN TRY. It is like they want to keep the Country try crippled not because of fear of the virus but to ruin the Country try even more.

California said they will keep the stay at home order through July?

July?

Why not even try to do a little in phases?

Again, this is all being done because of partisan politics.

Most Dems that our the leaders of this country do not want to open up until a vaccine emerges. That is a joke!

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Sugar rush?

You mean Obama did the sugar rush....I’m sorry you were confused.

I’m not even talking about the Stock Market. I don’t use the stock market.

But how is the lowest unemployment with all people in the US since well before 1970 just a sugar rush?

The economy was roaring. Quit being ignorant. Obama’s was a sugar rush. The numbers don’t lie.

The low unemployment, the growth of the economy was high and was hitting numbers that the Dems said would never reach.

Please save it.

Obama has the worst economic numbers for an 8 year run. And I’m talking about on his 2nd term so I’ll throw out his first term. I gave him 4 free years and he still had horrible growth.

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He lost me on the economy pre Covid. It seems like so long ago now. You can Google Trumps economy pre Febuary 2020 and fine debates on how his administration has handled the economy. I read pro and con and ultimately believed the negative. Look it up.

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Reported US coronavirus cases:

Mar. 12: 1,645 cases

Apr. 12: 557,300 cases

May 12: 1,369,376 cases

These are known, many have not been tested due to lack of testing, some states even haven't been fully honest with their #s.

But, ''it is totally under control'' according to our President. ''Just the flu.'' ''One person''

Now it's to the point that anyone in the white house not alone at their desk has to wear a face mask. Well not Trump or Pence of course. Because they don't need to abide by rules the rest of us do.

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https://hyperallergic.com/563394/china-lego-animation/

It's a comedy video from, china. It's smart. It keeps saying, "we told you it was dangerous". China basically doesn't deny hiding number but they repeatedly say, "we told you it was dangerous in January". You said, no big deal and it would go away, until March. We had 2.5 months to get it together and ignored it.

Why was an outgoing administration surveilling an incoming administration?

Obama’s people overstepped their boundaries with Flynn.

I love how the former Obama officials move the goalposts with everything with regards to Trump. Their actions are ok because of how they move the goalposts.

What a load of crap.

All of this was done because Hillary lost in 2016.

I find it hilarious.

The Dems should have destroyed and criticized the Hillary campaign for their inability to convey a better message to the voters. Trump didn’t tell Hillary to ignore Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania during her campaign and that is basically why she lost. NOT THE RUSSIANS!

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Cuomo just called covid an act of God.

Let's see how well that goes over.

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What a moron.

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This virus has turned the Country try I to partisan politics.

It is us vs them crap.

Why is there a divide on coronavirus?

The Dems want to stay hidden in their holes and do NOTHING OR EVEN TRY. It is like they want to keep the Country try crippled not because of fear of the virus but to ruin the Country try even more.

California said they will keep the stay at home order through July?

July?

Why not even try to do a little in phases?

Again, this is all being done because of partisan politics.

Most Dems that our the leaders of this country do not want to open up until a vaccine emerges. That is a joke!

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Mush, how about this, just say, you don't agree with the experts, scientists and Drs who believe that is the best way.

Why do I suggest that? Because, if you do, you are not making it political. It's your opinion. You are allowed that.

The fact is, you are one of the very few making it political. You constantly spout about the liberal media and the dems.
The rest of us voice outrage, disappointment and confusion with the way our president has handled it. It is irrelevant to which part he belongs. It truly is. It is about him. He has politicized this. It's what he does. He polarizes. Trumps language, Trump's not the republicans, not the democrats, Trump's language and rhetoric is dangerous and irresponsible. It has been the entire time.
He has failed in this crises. That is our president. It makes no difference what color suit he wears , red or blue. he has lied, he has mismanaged, he has failed and he has incited citizens against their own governors.
Trump.
He has politicized this more than anyone else. His words and actions or lack of actions , have politicized this.
Are both parties equal of following suit? Yes. Because they were foolish enough to get caught in his game.

My thoughts and opinions have zero basis in left or right. I have commented on a few other leaders from that side of the isle but I have also commented on some from the left.
I see every other poster doing that.

You are politicizing this far, far more than any other poster. It seems like every post you put up, politicizes it.

So simply state your opinion. You want things to open and you want to ignore data, research, science, drs.
I can respect that. I disagree but I respect it.

Is it just me or do liberals, democrats just piss and moan about everything?

Again...

We gotta flatten the curve. Cuomo stressed that for a month.

The narrative changes again.

Dems are never satisfied.

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Is it just me or do liberals, democrats just piss and moan about everything?

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LOL It's you!

I suggest you read the last 20 pages or so, you have done nothing but piss and moan....albeit not re: Trump.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

https://hyperallergic.com/563394/china-lego-animation/

It's a comedy video from, china. It's smart. It keeps saying, "we told you it was dangerous". China basically doesn't deny hiding number but they repeatedly say, "we told you it was dangerous in January". You said, no big deal and it would go away, until March. We had 2.5 months to get it together and ignored it.

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We had 2.5 months to get it together?

You mean the entire world.

In mid Jan The WHO said human transmission was it happening in China with the virus.

Figure it out Clown. Countries believed the WHO and all got burned.

To those touting the "roaring" economy. Trump inherited a fairly robust economy, one that was restored from a very serious recession. His corp tax cuts were simply a short term jolt that kicked the can down the road. For years the R's were the fiscal conservatives, what happened? How could they sign off on a trillion dollar increase in the debt?

The Treasury report projected the tax cuts and the budget would boost economic growth to 2.9% a year for the next 10 years. That prosperity would boost tax revenue enough to offset the tax cuts. An overtly optimistic projection with assumptions that never materialized. Did the tax cut go towards revitalizing, modernization or employee benefits? No it got plowed back into corporate stock buy backs.

The Joint Committee on Taxation analyzed the tax cuts alone. It came to a different conclusion. It said the Act would increase the deficit by $1 trillion over the next 10 years. The Committee expected the economy to grow just 0.7% a year. It did not take into account the other changes in the FY 2018 budget.

https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-t...x-cuts-4586645

ps. Trickle down economics has a long and questionable history in this country. It failed repeatedly, call it supply side if you prefer the Reagan spin or horse-and-sparrow theory coined at the turn of the century. The greed at the top simply destines the theory to failure.

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Mush, how about this, just say, you don't agree with the experts, scientists and Drs who believe that is the best way.

Why do I suggest that? Because, if you do, you are not making it political. It's your opinion. You are allowed that.

The fact is, you are one of the very few making it political. You constantly spout about the liberal media and the dems.
The rest of us voice outrage, disappointment and confusion with the way our president has handled it. It is irrelevant to which part he belongs. It truly is. It is about him. He has politicized this. It's what he does. He polarizes. Trumps language, Trump's not the republicans, not the democrats, Trump's language and rhetoric is dangerous and irresponsible. It has been the entire time.
He has failed in this crises. That is our president. It makes no difference what color suit he wears , red or blue. he has lied, he has mismanaged, he has failed and he has incited citizens against their own governors.
Trump.
He has politicized this more than anyone else. His words and actions or lack of actions , have politicized this.
Are both parties equal of following suit? Yes. Because they were foolish enough to get caught in his game.

My thoughts and opinions have zero basis in left or right. I have commented on a few other leaders from that side of the isle but I have also commented on some from the left.
I see every other poster doing that.

You are politicizing this far, far more than any other poster. It seems like every post you put up, politicizes it.

So simply state your opinion. You want things to open and you want to ignore data, research, science, drs.
I can respect that. I disagree but I respect it.

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Clown, I don’t ignore the things you said I ignore.

I disagree with some of their stances not all.

Christ Clown, I wanted Florida to stay closed until June 1 and see how things are before starting Phase 1.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

To those touting the "roaring" economy. Trump inherited a fairly robust economy, one that was restored from a very serious recession. His corp tax cuts were simply a short term jolt that kicked the can down the road. For years the R's were the fiscal conservatives, what happened? How could they sign off on a trillion dollar increase in the debt?

The Treasury report projected the tax cuts and the budget would boost economic growth to 2.9% a year for the next 10 years. That prosperity would boost tax revenue enough to offset the tax cuts. An overtly optimistic projection with assumptions that never materialized. Did the tax cut go towards revitalizing, modernization or employee benefits? No it got plowed back into corporate stock buy backs.

The Joint Committee on Taxation analyzed the tax cuts alone. It came to a different conclusion. It said the Act would increase the deficit by $1 trillion over the next 10 years. The Committee expected the economy to grow just 0.7% a year. It did not take into account the other changes in the FY 2018 budget.

https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-t...x-cuts-4586645

ps. Trickle down economics has a long and questionable history in this country. It failed repeatedly, call it supply side if you prefer the Reagan spin or horse-and-sparrow theory coined at the turn of the century. The greed at the top simply destines the theory to failure.

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Dr, ROBUST?

Really?

Please list the growth numbers of every 1/4 for his entire8 years....

Show me ROBUST.

^^ True Nick, but you also piss and moan about the car wash and getting a hair cut! Which is it?

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Dr, ROBUST?

Really?

Please list the growth numbers of every 1/4 for his entire8 years....

Show me ROBUST.

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I refuse to do your work. If you want to make the point please supply the data.

ps. to be clear I said he inherited a fairly robust economy that had been rescued from recession.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Is it just me or do liberals, democrats just piss and moan about everything?

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I don't know, is it just you or does anyone else continue to politicize everything?


Just you.