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Originally Posted by drt1010

The $500 billion corporate slush fund in the Senate GOP bill doesn't require reporting of recipients for six months — and provides no guarantee that Trump's own businesses won't benefit.

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I'll take all of it and give each of you in here, including Jorge, $1B.

I will then buy my own private island and live there for the next couple years.

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REPORTER: Will you commit that no money from the emergency stimulus bill will go to your own properties?

TRUMP: "I have no idea what they're talking about. Everything is changing. But I have no idea ... let's just see what happens."

(That's definitely not a yes!)

One of the most blatant instances of presidential self-dealing in American history.

You do realize that trumps business employ average tax payers too right ?

Trump finds himself in a position where he can sign legislation directly enriching himself illustrates why the precedent had been for presidents to divest themselves from their business interests when they took office. Trump refused to do that, merely ceding day-to-day operations of the Trump Organizations to his two adult sons, whom he speaks with frequently and who serve as key political surrogates for him.


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REPORTER: Did you or anyone in your administration talk to anyone at the Trump Organization about the potential effects of the coronavirus?

TRUMP: "No. I didn't speak to anybody. I speak to my sons." (Trump's sons are running his business)

The GOP plan included a $500B “Exchange Stabilization Fund” that would’ve given Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin broad authority to decide which businesses benefited, and Congress limited authority to oversee it or even know where the money was going.

“We’re gonna give $500 billion in basically a slush fund to help industries controlled by Mnuchin with very little transparency? Is that what we ought to be doing?” asked Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii.).

“We're not here to create a slush fund for Donald Trump and his family, or a slush fund for the Treasury Department to be able to hand out to their friends,” railed Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who made corporate accountability a big part of her White House campaign. “We're here to help workers, we're here to help hospitals. And right now, what the Republicans proposed does neither of those. “

Even moderate West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin lashed out at the Republicans over the lack of controls on the Exchange Stabilization Fund.

“It’s throwing caution to the wind for the average person working on Main Street, it’s balls to the walls for the people working on Wall Street,” Manchin declared. “It’s the same ol’ story from Mitch McConnell.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...package-143565

The COVID19 is not mutating significantly as it spreads around the world, according to scientists studying its genetic code. That's encouraging news for researchers hoping to create a long-lasting vaccine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...5b5_story.html

Personally I think the President is doing a great job, this is unchartered waters. I will not put blame on China even though it originated there. Could you imagine if the President had pushed the panic button from the get go. I beleive he was calming the waters before the tide hit. Of course they knew what was coming after seeing what was going on. We all look at hindsight and shake our heads and point our fingers. Most people think because we live in a free World that we do not have to listen to the authorities. I owned a business for 20 years and if I was told to shut down, I wouldn't listen. I would have never made it if my doors were closed. I have been lurking on PSD for the past 10 years and just recently joined the team. I am a die hard Yankee fan who grew up in Montana moved to Nevada and currently working in Iraq. I have been in the Middle East for the past 10 years so if I am lucky I catch maybe 1 or 2 games a year on TV and if I schedule my vacation right I can catch a game in Oakland

Mitch McConnell says that they’re on the 5-yard line.

Chuck Schumer says that they’re on the 2-yard line.

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Welcome to the board Roho, always happy to have some new blood in here. Hope you and your family are well and healthy

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Personally I think the President is doing a great job, this is unchartered waters. I will not put blame on China even though it originated there. Could you imagine if the President had pushed the panic button from the get go. I beleive he was calming the waters before the tide hit. Of course they knew what was coming after seeing what was going on. We all look at hindsight and shake our heads and point our fingers. Most people think because we live in a free World that we do not have to listen to the authorities. I owned a business for 20 years and if I was told to shut down, I wouldn't listen. I would have never made it if my doors were closed. I have been lurking on PSD for the past 10 years and just recently joined the team. I am a die hard Yankee fan who grew up in Montana moved to Nevada and currently working in Iraq. I have been in the Middle East for the past 10 years so if I am lucky I catch maybe 1 or 2 games a year on TV and if I schedule my vacation right I can catch a game in Oakland

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1 or 2 games a year? ****, that's basically an entire season compared to Jorge.

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

Mitch McConnell says that they’re on the 5-yard line.

Chuck Schumer says that they’re on the 2-yard line.

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Should they try to punch it in with the full back or try a HB toss?

I was in Thailand when the Coronavirus was breaking out. There was a lot of people getting sick but no one was panicking as it is common for the Asian people to have fevers several times a year. I think it has something to do with weather. I was kind of in a panic mode as the rumors going around at that time were the flights were going to be canceled, and if I did make the flight the country of Iraq was not going to let me in (kind of strange to be worried about that). I made it all the way and had no issues. I flew in to Northern Iraq where it isn't as bad as Baghdad. Iraq has a lot of cases of the virus and most of it is coming across the border from Iran.

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1 or 2 games a year? ****, that's basically an entire season compared to Jorge.

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Lmaoooo

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Should they try to punch it in with the full back or try a HB toss?

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I was thinking about a buck sweep.

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Originally Posted by goingfor28

1 or 2 games a year? ****, that's basically an entire season compared to Jorge.

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Haha..yes, I have been all over Afghanistan, Kuwait and now Iraq and until now the Internet service has been bad. I purchased the MLB package the day before they delayed the season. I was very jacked for this season to start. I would follow the box scores and watch play by play action on yahoo but that was frustrating.

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Haha..yes, I have been all over Afghanistan, Kuwait and now Iraq and until now the Internet service has been bad. I purchased the MLB package the day before they delayed the season. I was very jacked for this season to start. I would follow the box scores and watch play by play action on yahoo but that was frustrating.

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Wow, thank u so much for your service. I really hope the season is back soon for you and all of us

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Originally Posted by drt1010

The $500 billion corporate slush fund in the Senate GOP bill doesn't require reporting of recipients for six months — and provides no guarantee that Trump's own businesses won't benefit.

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You deleted my e-mail, so there is no sense posting truth on this board, when you are allowed to disparage our President for your own personal narrative. It is a disgrace. Good luck talking to yourself.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Wow, thank u so much for your service. I really hope the season is back soon for you and all of us

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Thank you, my military days are over. I have been out of the service since 85, I am over here as a civilian contractor.

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Thank you, my military days are over. I have been out of the service since 85, I am over here as a civilian contractor.

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Dang. I was born in 85. [emoji14]

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Originally Posted by goingfor28

How anyone living in NY can go about their daily routine as if everything is normal makes no sense to me. They literally have more cases than the other 49 states combined.

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The death rate in NY is less than 1%. But watching some liberal news programs they constantly show Italy and Spain as normal death rates.

Look I know this virus is deadly but for 99% of the people who get it they will be around for New Years Day celebrations.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Nicky I have commented. Simply the D's are trying to prevent the R's from having a $500B blank check to dole out at their discretion to big business. They include the environmental and election protection as leverage, a bargaining tool against the R's blank check, NO oversight, proposal. I'm sure you realize and understand that's how political negotiating works. I don't think you can call environmental and election protection pork! I don't think you can question the D's focus on families and kids. D's want to ensure that any bailout for large companies will primarily benefit workers.

You didn't answer my question. If Obama had proposed a $500B slush fund, with NO oversight, intended as a big business bailout, would the R's approve?

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The funny thing, your Dem Friends had no issue with the so called slush fund. Then at the last minute they put in their non Corovirus bullspit.

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

Read my other post. I said, that iI agree that this is no time for politics but here needs to be regulations on all of this.
Corporate bailouts need to come from pockets of that mythical 1% who own those companies. They are not the ones who stand to lose anything asked from a tiny percentage of their absurd piles of money.
I am not saying they shouldn't keep their piles but they need to give some back from the world from which they took it and the people who helped them create it.

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But those big business would certainly cut back their workforce if they don’t have capital to help pay for their salaries. They would lose their jobs Clown.

Trump said no golden parachutes or stock buy backs.

Mc Turtle even said that as well. The Dems WERE FLAT OUT WRONG including those in their wish list into a bill that is just for Corovirus.

And Big Business is not affected by Corovirus?

Some of you think eliminating big business would solve the world issues..

I get tired of the same old card of we gotta take care of the weak and feeble. Some on here act like they would be ignored.

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Originally Posted by dayners81

Welcome to the board Roho, always happy to have some new blood in here. Hope you and your family are well and healthy

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Yes welcome Roho, Don't be a stranger.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Pelosi said the Republican bill before the Senate puts "corporations first, not workers and families."

The Democrats' latest bill, which is more than 1,400 pages long, would prevent corporations from using taxpayer money for stock buybacks, boost unemployment insurance, strengthen the child and earned income tax credits and inject nearly $40 billion into schools and universities to stabilize funding. It also directs billions of dollars in grant funding for states to carry out this year's election through the Election Assistance Commission.

Some elements of this proposal already exist in the bill that the Senate is negotiating.



Frankly I don't know what the D's strategy is, what I do know they are trying to protect workers and families. They clearly object to the R's attempt to push thru a bill that gives carte blanche to a $500B slush fund with NO oversight. Can you imagine?

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Yea Dr, can you imagine all of the DEMs ideological BS that has nothing to do with Coronvirus?

You say nothing about that crap?

Why?

Your defense is a joke.

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The funny thing, your Dem Friends had no issue with the so called slush fund. Then at the last minute they put in their non Corovirus bullspit.

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Spin it Nick. Bottom line, D's insisted upon stronger worker protections and oversight over a $500 billion fund to bail out businesses.

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Originally Posted by johnnyi

You deleted my e-mail, so there is no sense posting truth on this board, when you are allowed to disparage our President for your own personal narrative. It is a disgrace. Good luck talking to yourself.

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Wrong! There is more than one mod in this forum. If you weren't so myopic you would have noticed. In fact I deleted my own post in fairness!

D's secured a provision in the deal that prohibits businesses controlled by Trump, Pence, members of Congress and heads of exec departments from getting loans or investments from the new slush fund.

Also their children. D's announced it early this AM.

Hmmmmm wonder why such a provision was even necessary?

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The death rate in NY is less than 1%. But watching some liberal news programs they constantly show Italy and Spain as normal death rates.

Look I know this virus is deadly but for 99% of the people who get it they will be around for New Years Day celebrations.

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The death rate is at 1% because they have the equipment they need and the beds they need.
The number of cases is doubling every 3 days and the peak not expected for 3 weeks.
They have 16K cases now and if that trend continues, By Saturday, 32K. By next Tuesday 100K. By a week from Friday 200K. week from next Monday 400k. Two weeks from Friday 800K and the three week mark 1.6 million cases
Look at that number Mush. Stare at the potential of 1.6 million people in NYC alone, sick. At that point, you will have roughly 215k people in need of hospitalization and 120K in need of ventilators. At that point, you will see Drs telling anyone over 60, they can't have a ventilator. If we reach that point, you will see 100k people die in a week

And then there's the rest of the country because NYC doesn't have enough tests so they are only testing certain people. That means all of those who get mild forms of the virus or are undetectable are still walking around and unknowingly, infecting others.
They are saying," I'm from Ohio, I'm just going to go to my parents house"

Stop with the "Dem" crap and pay attention. Talk all the shite you want if this slows down and we are fine. But right now your comments are part of this partisan problem.
Don't be foolish. I know you don't want to look but you have to look.

This is a potential disaster unlike any of us have seen. Wake up.

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As a former fiscal conservative, Normally I would agree with you. But we're in a very difficult time in the country. So, I'm willing to forgo my old beliefs of smaller government to help get the country get back on track.

This is way too much money to shell out to corporations without any oversite. We would just end up right back where we are if there weren't any checks and balances.

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This is why I love you.

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Let's start with the premise that all billionaires have enormous egos and believe that they are experts at everything or at least smarter than the average bear.

Generally speaking, I think he's doing a good job with the crisis overall and that's not political, because I feel Cuomo is also doing a good job. After all, it is a crisis and both men are in leadership positions. I do disagree with the thought that Trump is providing no help to Cuomo, when the first hospital ship is going to New York, instead of the West Coast, where the virus first entered the country. That recognizes that the East Coast is ground zero now.

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I was going to respond to the above post regarding your living in NJ but I saw the bolded and it made my giggle so I will respond to both.

Trump isn't doing a bad job. He just shouldn't 't lie or make it lighter or fluffier than it is. Tell people the truth. Let it sink in. Thats what Merkle did and Germany stabilized. Give us as a country the chance to get smacked, scared and saddened, so we can then put aside difference to get through this. By lying, you create division. That is evident in how the country views this threat.
Don't talk about starting up business on April 18th when pretty much every expert has said, NYC will be just hitting its peak at that time.
Don't tell Cuomo he should have purchased ventilators when you know you actually outbid him for them.

Be honest.

I think his actions have been solid. I think his words have been extremely misleading.

As far as you living in Jersey, I posted a terrifying stat. NYC is doubling every 3 days. Their peak is estimated to be in 3 weeks. That would mean 1.6 million cases and 225K in need of medical assistance. That would mean 130K in need of ventilators.
That would mean Drs have to chose who gets treatment and who doesn't

I hope that it gets nowhere near that but DeBlasio has done a crap job regarding the "Shelter in place".
Playgrounds are still open? Seriously, WTF?

State Officials Plead With Federal Government To Use War Powers To Address Chaotic Medical Device Market

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/sta...device-market/

NYU’s medical school is allowing students to graduate now, three months early, to become interns and join the fight.

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NYU’s medical school is allowing students to graduate now, three months early, to become interns and join the fight.

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I think a bunch of medical schools will follow suit.
I think they should offer loan forgiveness for those who do.

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NYU’s medical school is allowing students to graduate now, three months early, to become interns and join the fight.

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The death rate in NY is less than 1%. But watching some liberal news programs they constantly show Italy and Spain as normal death rates.

Look I know this virus is deadly but for 99% of the people who get it they will be around for New Years Day celebrations.

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It illustrates one of the big issues with people living on top of each other. I love NY, but it's not really possible to not be near other people. Living there also, for me at least, made me get in habits that had me out and about regularly ... like going to the market pretty much every day, the pizza joint with the walk up window, standing in lines, there isn't room for everyone to be 6 feet apart.

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It illustrates one of the big issues with people living on top of each other. I love NY, but it's not really possible to not be near other people. Living there also, for me at least, made me get in habits that had me out and about regularly ... like going to the market pretty much every day, the pizza joint with the walk up window, standing in lines, there isn't room for everyone to be 6 feet apart.

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Absolutely. I lived there my entire life, just recently (1yr) moved to Southern coastal NJ. :rolleyes: What a change.

No country has controlled transmission effectively w/out massive testing capacity. US currently has a sliver of the capacity needed. S.Korea’s performed 320,000+tests almost 1 for every 150 people,30x the testing per capita here.

Youngsters take note:

In the US, 20% hospitalized with coronavirus are between 20-44 yo
In NY, 53% of COVID19 cases are in people 18-49 yo
A 17 yo died in CA, a 12 yo in GA is on a ventilator

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Youngsters take note:

In the US, 20% hospitalized with coronavirus are between 20-44 yo
In NY, 53% of COVID19 cases are in people 18-49 yo
A 17 yo died in CA, a 12 yo in GA is on a ventilator

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That's the thing that's kept me home. I'm not overly concerned about myself. I turned 31 yesterday, am in good health (as far as I know) and almost never even get a little cold.
But if I were to catch this and my 2 yr old or 5 month old were to get sick bc of me, I would be absolutely crushed.

My mom has a Dr appt this morning. Follow up for eye surgery she had last week. I'm currently sitting in my truck waiting for her. I have no desire to be inside the waiting room.

Appreciate the info doc.