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Originally Posted by RCSownsU
What about the BS language that the Dems want where NOTHING has to do with the Coronavirus?
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Originally Posted by RCSownsU
What about the BS language that the Dems want where NOTHING has to do with the Coronavirus?
Not talking about big business. I’m talking about business with less than 30 associates where they might be forced to cut back to say 15 just to stay in business. You bail all out and then the workers all stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCSownsU
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Originally Posted by drt1010
He is saying so much ignorant and stupid crap that Fausi, the genuine expert said “I can jump in and push him away from the microphone”Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
It is The Dr a liberal plant to undermine trumps authority?
Trump is acting like a ducking idiot when he talks about miracle cures after a drug has had 36 successful treatments
The man is behaving like a fool. Not because he should know more than he does but because he’s acting like this isn’t a big deal and it will all be fine in a couple weeks
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Originally Posted by goingfor28
So they quit and lose their job?
I’m sure they would be covered if they are sick but to just not show up would probably end their job.
I don’t trust ANYBODY!Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
How’s that?
The dems are blocking the bill because they feel too much money is going to BIG BUSINESS not enough to smaller businesses and families/individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
We are talking about why they are democrats are blocking the bill. Aka what you're ranting and raving about. You're more angry about the dems blocking the bill than anything else, at least according to your rants.
The other issues with the bill was not part of the current discussion.
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Yes. That would be greatQuote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
What about Boeing? They want their money. Those Douche nozzle CEOs can part with a few million to keep the workers afloat for a few months without needing a bailout. Pricks like them don’t want to reach into their pockets because they fear their balls are too small
Or should they get the bailout so they can pretend the have a good set of nuts?
If you don’t trust, then why continually defend and excuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
They want their agendas that have NOTHING to do with Coronvirus.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCSownsU
I’m all for all workers getting help. I’m against a bill that has BS crap that has nothing to do with Coronavirus. And that is what the Dems have in there.
Dr, how come you have not opposition to the Dems agendas in the bill?
You seem to ignore that.
C'mon Nick. Even a die hard like you can see the D's concerns over a $500M fund being doled out at the discretion of the treasury secretary! No oversight or accountability? Really. And you question the D's motivation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
There is NO precedent for a program with a similar size and scope. R's have said the funding would be handled appropriately and that a cash infusion of this scale is necessary to address a major economic crisis. We should trust them and take them at their word? Yeah right.
Before Jan 23 Five Million people left Wuhan and that made the world susceptible to the virus...
Where is the questions about that?
Meanwhile, it is all Trump’s fault!
What a joke!
It boils down to ideology. I trust the D's to help families and people in need more than I trust the R's. I would like to believe D's will help defend the working families and small business owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
C'mon Nicky stop pedaling the propaganda of Fox. Where did they go? Did they leave China? Did they come to the US? Europe? Africa? NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
An Associated Press analysis of domestic travel patterns using map location data from Chinese tech giant Baidu shows that in the two weeks before Wuhan’s lockdown, nearly 70% of trips out of the central Chinese city were within Hubei province. Baidu has a map app that is similar to Google Maps, which is blocked in China.
Another 14% of the trips went to the neighboring provinces of Henan, Hunan, Anhui and Jiangxi. Nearly 2% slipped down to Guangdong province, the coastal manufacturing powerhouse across from Hong Kong, and the rest fanned out across China. The cities outside Hubei province that were top destinations for trips from Wuhan between Jan. 10 and Jan. 24 were Chongqing, a municipality next to Hubei province, Beijing and Shanghai.
The travel patterns broadly track with the early spread of the virus. The majority of confirmed cases and deaths have occurred in China, within Hubei province, followed by high numbers of cases in central China, with pockets of infections in Chongqing, Shanghai and Beijing as well. AP - Associated Press
Yes. I'd rather live and have to find a new job than die.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Hmmmm decisions, decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by goingfor28
:speechless:GOP Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick goes on Fox News and says grandparents would be willing to die to save the economy for their grandchildren.:speechless:
Nicky, please think for a moment. Imagine Obama creating a $500 billion corporate slush fund and making himself the sole authority on where the $ was spent. Would Republicans support that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Undoubtedly yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Holy Fook. Reading some of the items the democrats are trying to push across is really pure *****.
Fook em.
IMO, this is not currently necessary and should have nothing to do with this bailout proposal. What a joke.
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And this is what I've found so far on buy backs and such. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ffda75588e.jpg
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So based on what I've read so far.
I'm pissed at the dems.
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take what he said... then take a look at something else in our history...Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
If the groundhog sees his shadow, it's 6 more weeks of winter... vs a month and a half....
6 of one, half dozen of the other... no matter how you say it... it comes out the same.. we need to remember.. he needs to keep people calm... and him saying that this will last until July.. that won't do that... Still, 3-4 months is a big window... and 2-3 months is in the numbers I gave and would still make him correct too... the problem being... these are not static statistics.. so everyone is guessing at this point.. and hoping for the best....
The worst part... If ever there was a time we needed sport to take our minds off things.. is now.. problem is, it's clear that that would actually make things worse... damned if you do.. damned if you don't...
Dr, you still won’t comment on the things in the bill that the Dems want THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CORONAVIRUS?Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Why do you ignore that?
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Originally Posted by drt1010
Dr, what about CNN’s propaganda?
Some people just don’t want to leave their jobs. And who said EVERYBODY is going to die?Quote:
Originally Posted by goingfor28
I already showed that the death rate in the US is 1.3% and in S.Korea it is 1.2 and they are the model right now.
The media has everyone believing that you are going to all die if you get the virus and that is far from the truth.
Dr, please....China hides everything. They report noth8 g that is accurate and anything the AP gets from China is total Bullcrap. They HID THE VIRUS FROM THE WORLD FOR 2 MONTHS!Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Whoever wants big business to crumble doesn’t want the US to succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Is Coronavirus affecting BIG BUSINESS? Yes or No?
Anybody who is affected should get some sort of assistance.
Now on the flip side..
Why should other issues that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CORONAVIRUS be in this bill?
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Originally Posted by RCSownsU
I don’t hate any Dem. I certainly hate the ones who put crap in the bill that has nothing to do with Coronavirus.
Why is Dr supporting that crap?
Or turning a blind eye towards it?
I’m not saying he can’t support their age or ideology BUT for this particular Bill that is absurd.
And this was my point...you brought it all out to see...Quote:
Originally Posted by RCSownsU
This stuff is for another day not during a crisis.
100%. Anyone who doesn't agree is dishonest. Pure and simple. There should be no pork in this bill and no idealogical wish lists on either side of the aisle. The goal is to help the country and its citizens during the crisis. TQuote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Ads you so readily suggested, too many Democrats believe in an existential threat of climate change that they are paralyzed when faced with this serious threat. Some have vowed to not pass any piece of legislation, make any trade deal, etc., unless it contains greenhouse gases legislation. This is why all or nothing idealism doesn't work in a Democracy.
How do you think the money should be distributed?Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Personally, I think it should be given to individuals.
No agenda. What the plan should be.
1-Mortgage and rent freeze for anyone who's lost a job or can't be working right now. Banks can handle that It's a few months and they will get their money eventually.
2-Reduction in costs of utilities. Utility companies need to keep going and they need the money to pay employees.
Anyone who is affected gets a full or percentage reduction in their utility bills.
3- 400$ a month per individual. Add 200$ a month for every person in that household up to 1200$ a month.
A family of 4 gets 1000 bucks a month for groceries and incidentals. A family of 8 gets 1200.
This is offered through unemployment applications. Anyone behaving dishonestly will be given the harshest of punishment when this is over.
4-All necessary medical is covered.
Here's my math. In order to give 200 million people 400$ a month for 3 months, it would cost 240 billion
100 mil would be half that.
Save the other aspect of the incentive for after this and give that to SMALL businesses, first.
Let the CEOs off the giant companies, keep them afloat by surrendering their bonuses.
If you have a company with 1000 workers who make 50k a year and a couple guys who gets a 10 mil bonus?
Well give up bonuses to pay those people salaries for the first 4 months they are all out of work. Then they can ask for help.
I love when people comment, as you once brought up,Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyi
100%. Anyone who doesn't agree is dishonest. Pure and simple., was an unfair analysis. (Actually you and I went back and forth on this after I made a similar claim, so interesting how much you dislike this type of comment but use it)
Lets be clear, many Rs won't pass bills unless the religious right has their desires met.
Let's also be clear, the Rs aren 't as worried about where this money goes. Big business, not big government.
Individuals need this more than Boeing. Or ford. Or Delta. The men who are in charge of those companies need to open their own damn wallets and cover their losses. They can do it and still have enough money for 10 lifetimes.
Stock buybacks are atrocious.
People need to eat.
I agree. There shouldn't be politics in this but there needs to be regulation and organization.
This shouldn't be going out right now. It's been a week.
If the President is so confident that this is going to go away in another week or that we have a cure, they should wait to watch the numbers drop, while people get better and we might not need it.
What do you think about that Johnny and Mush, should we listen to the president and believe this is going be better in another week or two? Because if you say no, you are saying he's lied.
If you say yes? No. You won't
:clap: In a nutshell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Focus should be on individuals, families and the working families that need it most. Food and shelter (mortgage and rent relief) are more urgent than stock buybacks and corporate greed!
Cut the bonuses, dig into cash reserves (in the trillions collectively), cut off shore production and manufacturing bring it home....off the top of my head, let's start there.
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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown
Before we can get to your lists what about all of the garbage that has NOTHING TO DO WITH CORONVIRUS...
Why is this being ignored by some on here?
And yet you still ignore the BS that the Dems want in there? You turn a blind eye to that, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Nicky I have commented. Simply the D's are trying to prevent the R's from having a $500B blank check to dole out at their discretion to big business. They include the environmental and election protection as leverage, a bargaining tool against the R's blank check, NO oversight, proposal. I'm sure you realize and understand that's how political negotiating works. I don't think you can call environmental and election protection pork! I don't think you can question the D's focus on families and kids. D's want to ensure that any bailout for large companies will primarily benefit workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
You didn't answer my question. If Obama had proposed a $500B slush fund, with NO oversight, intended as a big business bailout, would the R's approve?
An old approach being revisited. NY health officials will collect “convalescent” plasma (liquid part of blood) from recovered COVID19 patients & inject the antibody-rich plasma into sick coronavirus patients.
This approach was used during the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.
https://nbcnews.com/health/health-ca...r /> n1167136
MountSinai researchers have developed an antibody test to identify people who recovered from COVID19.
Recovered/immune patients can:
Donate coronavirus antibody-rich plasma to treat ill patients
Take on front-line jobs during the pandemic
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...virus-pandemic
Read my other post. I said, that iI agree that this is no time for politics but here needs to be regulations on all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
Corporate bailouts need to come from pockets of that mythical 1% who own those companies. They are not the ones who stand to lose anything asked from a tiny percentage of their absurd piles of money.
I am not saying they shouldn't keep their piles but they need to give some back from the world from which they took it and the people who helped them create it.
There should be a cohesive solution that solves this issue. Politics should not be involved. I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by rrzubnyy
It isn't difficult. There are people in this country that can easily afford to create monetary assistance for those who need it.
Big business should be the ones giving money, not the government. But since they are entitled greedy pricks, they won't but instead they will ask for money to keep their bonuses. What do you say to that Mush?