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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

That is good and dandy but the criminals would get more to choose from with little worry.

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Yeah, I'm sure it'd be open season for crime if their budget was even a buck less than six billion dollars.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

No, I blame the agitators, something you never seem to mention. The rioters who caused all of the violence and damage. But you don’t care about the damage and violence....that got all of the cops in heat of the movement situations.

You just don’t get it....you don’t see it because you refuse to see it.

Again, nobody is against protesters. People are against the rioters.

But since the riots happened during a protest you agree with then the violence and damage is no concern to you.

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OK Nicky.....heat of the moment is now responsible.

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

But from what I've read, they're not actually getting rid of the police force. There will still be a police force.

We absolutely should not get rid of the force itself, it seems they're just going to transition to another style of police using more community policing and those who use excessive force will actually be held accountable. As it should be. Just because you're a LEO doesn't mean you're above the law.

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There is defunding, which gives some, most or all of the money, to the communities that need it most. They use the word "marginalized communities". Basically, Camden. The belief is if the money is put back into those communities, there will actually be less crime because have more help available from social services.

"It argues law and order isn't abetted by law enforcement, but through education, jobs and mental health services that low-income communities are often denied."


Disbanding is taking down the force. It can be on different levels as well. It may be a structural overhaul to get out the old guard and bring in the new. and to the very extreme, it is no police department. They could still have people in all neighborhoods who are essentially cops but they live in those areas so they know people and will respond differently.


I am very torn on this idea. I certainly think allocating money to communities in need is of huge importance. I have many times cited that education is our friend and the more of it we have, the calmer, cleaner and more caring our country would be.
I do also think you need the police. I think there need to be sweeping changes and the bad ones weeded out but I do think we need them. I also believe that if that "brotherhood" concept was revisited, you would get more people who wanted to be cops and for the right reasons.
These men and women should hold each other accountable and pay the price when they break a law, not be shielded.


I suspect many of these places will do it on a bigger scale than we've seen and act as important tests for success or failure.

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Originally Posted by rrzubnyy

Dr, the unemployment numbers were caused by the virus. Not some policy...geez, have some damn common sense....

I don’t care if the judge bear was 50%. It wasn’t a policy, geez....only a Democrat would mention unemployment numbers during the virus.

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Really? I am well aware the numbers were induced by the pandemic. Did that stop YOU from touting them as a strong indication the economy was back and will soon be roaring? I agreed it was encouraging. But now we find out they cooked the books. Not a good look.

Defunding is more about demilitarizing local depts and allocating those resources elsewhere in the communities. Do they really need tanks, xray vans & drone submarines?

Camden's transformation began after a 2012 homicide spike. The department wanted to put more officers on patrol but couldn’t afford to hire more, partly because of generous union contracts. So in 2013, the mayor and city council dissolved the local PD and signed an agreement for the county to provide shared services. The new county force is double the size of the old one, and officers almost exclusively patrol the city. (They were initially nonunion but have since unionized.) Increasing the head count was a trust-building tactic, says Thomson, who served as chief throughout the transition: Daily, noncrisis interactions between residents and cops went up. Police also got de-escalation training and body cameras, and more cameras and devices to detect gunfire were installed around the city.

The department adopted an 18-page use-of-force policy in 2019, developed with New York University’s Policing Project. The rules emphasize that de-escalation has to come first. By the department’s account, reports of excessive force complaints in Camden have dropped 95% since 2014.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ice-department

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Camden's transformation began after a 2012 homicide spike. The department wanted to put more officers on patrol but couldn’t afford to hire more, partly because of generous union contracts. So in 2013, the mayor and city council dissolved the local PD and signed an agreement for the county to provide shared services. The new county force is double the size of the old one, and officers almost exclusively patrol the city. (They were initially nonunion but have since unionized.) Increasing the head count was a trust-building tactic, says Thomson, who served as chief throughout the transition: Daily, noncrisis interactions between residents and cops went up. Police also got de-escalation training and body cameras, and more cameras and devices to detect gunfire were installed around the city.

The department adopted an 18-page use-of-force policy in 2019, developed with New York University’s Policing Project. The rules emphasize that de-escalation has to come first. By the department’s account, reports of excessive force complaints in Camden have dropped 95% since 2014.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ice-department

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I already posted this..

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

I already posted this..

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OOOPs my bad, saw the post not the link.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

OOOPs my bad, saw the post not the link.

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You will be beaten, drawn and quartered, good sir!

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Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown

You will be beaten, drawn and quartered, good sir!

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But...but....:oldguy:

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Originally Posted by Posada20

It cost money for the supplies and cost money to close down the street . Money that could have been used at the very least as a donation to BLM .

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Perhaps the materials were donated. Do you know they weren't?

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Originally Posted by YANKSGUY

Perhaps the materials were donated. Do you know they weren't?

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Do you know they were ?

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Do you know they were ?

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Insignificant when compared to other costs incurred. Millions were spent.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Insignificant when compared to other costs incurred. Millions were spent.

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Insignificant or not , still a waste of tax payer money

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Originally Posted by Posada20

The libs want anarchy so that they can put all the people under the oppressive rule of communism/socialism

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If you and Mush keep making blanket statements about all liberals, i'm going to infract the both of you. You're just baiting and trolling at this point.

There's been a long enough leash with that ****. I don't see anyone here suggesting conservatives being comprised of solely racist mongering, Trump toting, nationalists who prefer guns over dialogue.