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Originally Posted by metswon69
And for the tenth time the pentagon denied any report existed . And on top of that , as recently as February 29th . Fauci and the Cdc said the threat of the virus to the general public was very low .Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
That's the point. He talks today about how the US is going to "drop the hammer" for their wrongdoings but the tone was very different in January. Not to mention this idea that the president only had this on his desk a couple of days before instituting a ban on travel to China. The man is all over the place with his stances. One minute someone is doing a great job, the next hes pointing the finger at that same entity suggesting it's their fault, meanwhile hes never accountable for his own failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by goingfor28
According to Trump, we are here because of the incompetence around him.
https://khn.org/news/fact-check-pres...xperts-say-no/Quote:
Originally Posted by Posada20
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Both in Washington, D.C., and internationally, health officials had been warning about the dangers posed by COVID-19 since at least January, with some early signals going back to December, when the illness emerged in the Wuhan province of China. Those warnings continued into February, well before the White House began taking serious steps to increase testing and treatment efforts ― a delay that experts said has significantly undermined the national response.
Indeed, by mid-January, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told the president that the virus — which
had already spread through China ― could pose a threat domestically, too, according to reporting by The New York Times, The Washington Post and Politico.
Then, by the end of the month, Azar declared it a “public health emergency” in the United States. According to the Times report, Dr. Robert Redfield, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, had also by that point realized “that it had a great ability to go global.”
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https://www.rollcall.com/2020/04/07/...rus-seriously/Quote:
Throughout his tenure, Mr Trump has dismissed warnings and findings from his intelligence services, with Democrats alleging he ignored repeated intel community warnings in January and February about the coming Covid-19 virus and its potentially deadly spread inside the United States.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/13...se-saw-coming/Quote:
A CNBC reporter asked Trump on Jan. 22 whether there were worries about a pandemic. “No, not at all. We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine,” he responded.
That same day, Arkansas Republican Tom Cotton (the senator who saw the coronavirus coming, according to the National Review) sent a letter encouraging the administration to consider banning travel from China and sounded the alarm on Twitter. “Once again, a deadly virus is emanating from China. Hundreds have fallen ill in Asia and at least one confirmed case has reached the United States. It’s imperative that the CCP be fully transparent and share information so we can stop this disease from spreading.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/u...-response.htmlQuote:
Writing in Foreign Policy in late March, Micah Zenko described the coronavirus pandemic as “worst intelligence failure in U.S. history.” “The White House detachment and nonchalance during the early stages of the coronavirus outbreak will be among the most costly decisions of any modern presidency,” he wrote.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...es4-story.htmlQuote:
The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.
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His was hardly a lone voice. Throughout January, as Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the Cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.
The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials.
Even after Trump took his first concrete action at the end of January — limiting travel from China — public health often had to compete with economic and political considerations in internal debates, slowing the path toward belated decisions to seek more money from Congress, obtain necessary supplies, address shortfalls in testing and ultimately move to keep much of the nation at home.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ingly-damning/Quote:
After multiple briefings and vetting throughout December, an explanation of the warnings reportedly appeared in the President's daily intelligence reports in early January.
It echoes a report last month from the Washington Post that intelligence officials through January and February were sounding the alarm of a probable pandemic as the president publicly downplayed the threat of the virus.
“When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we’ve done,” Trump said on February 26, 2020.
Yeah i know Trump was just an innocent bystander in all of this. Seriously, your ignorance pisses me off.Quote:
Dec. 31: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention learn of a cluster of cases in China.
Jan. 1: The CDC begins developing reports for the Department of Health and Human Services about the situation.
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Jan. 3: A Chinese official officially informs CDC Director Robert Redfield of the outbreak of a respiratory illness in the city of Wuhan. Redfield later relays the information to HHS Secretary Alex Azar, and Azar informs the White House National Security Council.
Early January: Intelligence officials begin offering ominous, classified warnings about the virus to Trump in the President’s Daily Brief. The warnings will persist into February.
Early January: In a report to the director of National Intelligence, a State Department epidemiologist warns that the virus is likely to spread across the globe and could result in a pandemic, and the Defense Intelligence Agency’s National Center for Medical Intelligence comes to the same conclusion, per the New York Times.
Jan. 8: The CDC issues its first public warning about the outbreak in China, saying that it is monitoring the situation and that people should take precautions when traveling to Wuhan.
Mid-January: Assistant HHS Secretary for Preparedness and Response Robert Kadlec instructs subordinates to make contingency plans for using the Defense Production Act, which allows the federal government to compel the production of certain materials in a crisis.
Jan. 17: The CDC begins monitoring major airports for passengers arriving from China.
Jan. 18: Azar, who had been trying to speak to Trump about the virus, is finally able to meet with him. Before Azar can begin talking about the virus, though, Trump interjects to ask him about a federal crackdown on vaping.
Jan. 20: Chinese President Xi Jinping says the virus “must be taken seriously,” and Chinese officials confirm the virus can be transmitted via human-to-human contact.
Jan. 21: The first case of the coronavirus is confirmed in the United States, in Seattle.
Jan. 22: Trump makes his first comments about the coronavirus, saying he is not concerned about a pandemic: “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. … It’s going to be just fine.”
Jan. 23: Chinese officials take the drastic step of shutting down Wuhan. “That was like, whoa,” a senior U.S. official involved in White House meetings later told The Post. “That was when the Richter scale hit 8.”
Jan. 24: A study published by the Lancet suggests the virus may be carried by people without symptoms.
Jan. 26: Chinese health officials say the virus is infectious before symptoms show. “From observations, the virus is capable of transmission even during incubation period,” China Health Minister Ma Xiaowei says. “There are hidden carriers.”
Jan. 27: Concerned White House aides meet with then-acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to get senior officials to pay more attention to the issue. Joe Grogan, the head of the White House Domestic Policy Council, argues it could cost Trump his reelection and says the virus is likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.
Jan. 28: Carter Mecher, a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, writes to colleagues in the administration: “I’m seeing comments from people asking why WHO [World Health Organization] and CDC seem to be downplaying this.” He adds that “no matter how I look at this, it looks [to] be bad. If we assume the same case ascertainment rate as the spring wave of 2009 H1N1 [swine flu], this looks nearly as transmissible as flu (but with a longer incubation period and greater Ro). The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe, but when I think of the actions being taken across China that are reminiscent of 1918 Philadelphia [during the influenza epidemic], perhaps those numbers are correct. And if we accept that level of transmissibility, the [case fatality rate] is approaching the range of a severe flu pandemic.”
Jan. 29: A Navarro memo warns of 500,000 or more American deaths and says it is “unlikely the introduction of the coronavirus into the U.S. population in significant numbers will mimic a ‘seasonal flu’ event with relatively low contagion and mortality rates.”
Jan. 29: The White House announces the formation of a coronavirus task force, led by Vice President Pence.
Jan. 30: China expands the lockdown beyond Wuhan to the entire province of Hubei, as the WHO declares a global health emergency.
Jan. 30: Azar warns Trump about the possibility of a pandemic and that China isn’t being transparent, according to the Times. But Trump dismisses Azar as an alarmist.
Jan. 30: A German study published in the New England Journal of Medicine says the virus can be transmitted by asymptomatic individuals.
Jan. 30: Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says, “I don’t want to talk about a victory lap over a very unfortunate, very malignant disease,” but he suggests it might give companies pause about sending their production overseas. “So I think it will help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America.”
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Jan. 30: Trump says of the threat: “We think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”
Jan. 31: Trump announces travel restrictions from China after three major airlines announced they had halted flights. The restrictions take effect Feb. 2.
Some time in January: The National Security Council’s biodefense experts begin urging officials to look at what it would take to quarantine a city the size of Chicago, per the Times.
Early February: Other White House officials, including deputy national security adviser Matthew Pottinger, join Grogan in calling for a more forceful response. Grogan expresses worry that there aren’t enough tests. Pottinger pushes for expanding the travel ban to countries such as Italy and earns the support of Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. but the plan is resisted by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who cites economic concerns.
Feb. 5: Trump’s impeachment trial ends with his acquittal by the Senate.
Feb. 5: Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) says that a briefing shows the administration isn’t taking the virus seriously enough and says it isn’t heeding calls for emergency funding.
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Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough.
Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now.
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Feb. 7: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says the United States has donated nearly 18 tons of medical supplies to China.
Feb. 10: Trump says, “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”
Feb. 14: A memo is drafted by health officials and the National Security Council about the potential need for “quarantine and isolation measures to combat the virus,” per the Times, but a scheduled meeting to brief Trump on the plan is later canceled.
Feb. 19: Trump says: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”
Feb. 21: The White House coronavirus task force conducts a mock response to a pandemic and concludes that mass social distancing will be needed, per the Times.
Feb. 23: Another Navarro memo warns of an “increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life of as many as 1-2 million souls.”
Feb. 23: Italy begins to see evidence of a major outbreak in the Lombardy region.
Feb. 24: As Iran becomes a hot spot, WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warns of a possible pandemic. “There is a lot of speculation about whether this increase means that this epidemic has now become a pandemic,” he says.
Feb. 24: Trump says: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb. 25: The Army’s National Center for Medical Intelligence raises its warning that the coronavirus would become a pandemic within 30 days from WATCHCON 2 — a probable crisis — to WATCHCON 1 — an imminent one, according to Newsweek. The news is reportedly shared with the Joint Chiefs of Staff two days later.
Feb. 25: Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, warns publicly about the inevitable spread of the virus and says “we need to be preparing for significant disruption in our lives.” Trump complains to Azar that Messonnier’s comments are spooking the stock market.
Feb. 26: Trump says, “When you have 15 people — and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero — that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Feb. 27: Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who had received briefings on the threat, tells a private luncheon that the coronavirus is “much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history” and “is probably more akin to the 1918 [influenza] pandemic,” in which 50 million or more people died worldwide.
Feb. 27: Azar tells the House Ways and Means Committee, “The immediate risk to the public remains low.” He adds: “It will look and feel to the American people more like a severe flu season in terms of the interventions and approaches you will see.”
Feb. 28: Mecher emails again, saying, "[W]e have a relatively narrow window” to respond with non-drug interventions, referring to data from the 1918 flu outbreak. He adds: “And we are flying blind.”
Feb. 28: Trump says: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
Feb. 29: The United States records its first coronavirus death and announces new travel restrictions for Iran, Italy and South Korea.
March 1: Mecher writes that the United States “should have pulled all the triggers for NPIs [non-pharmaceutical interventions] by now.”
March 2: Trump presses pharmaceutical executives on the timeline for a vaccine, suggesting it could come earlier than anticipated. They repeatedly correct him, saying, testing will require a year or more — as Fauci had previously told Trump.
March 3: The CDC lifts restrictions on coronavirus testing.
March 6: Trump wrongly claims during a tour of the CDC that “anybody that wants a test can get a test.”
March 10: Trump says: “Just stay calm. It will go away.”
March 11: The White House suspends travel from most European countries, as the WHO declares a global pandemic.
March 11: Trump says, “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”
March 13: Trump declares a national emergency.
March 16: Trump for the first time publicly reflects on the gravity of he situation. Asked about his repeated comments saying the situation was “under control,” he says: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. … I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus.”
All mainstream media is atrocious... CNN, MSNBC, Fox... including the NYTQuote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
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Because more information came out... how is that difficult to understand. Also, he may have known about it but through mid-January the health experts at WHO were saying it wasn’t able to be passed person to person.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
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Once again, u say you are stating facts but these don’t prove anything. It’s all “they may have known” or “by mid-Jan or Feb they knew”Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
So rather than trust that the guy is doing the best that he can, u automatic assume the worst that he doesn’t care about ppl.
And for all of the talk about accountability, he is the president of the United States, he has wide discretion of the actions he can take... especially with a complete unknown virus. The answer has never been “lock everyone down and destroy the economy” so maybe u can see why he was hesitant to strip ppl of their constitutional rights by enacting a lock down, in wake of a virus that hasn’t been all that terrible as they projected.
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No its not a "may have known". Trump knew about this as far back as December by some reports. Obviously, he didn't know the full extent because China wasn't transparent (ironically something he praised them for at the time) but the dynamic started changing as time went on. He thought it was serious enough to ban travel to China so obviously he was heeding some warnings. The time from that point forward to when he declared a national emergency on March 13th was filled with inactivity, lies, misinformation, "one man in China", etc. Much of that hasn't changed since March either.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJBASEBALL22
The US president has arguably the best intelligence in the world. You're not going to convince anyone who doesn't have a MAGA hat stitched to their forehead that his conservative approach to this didn't cost lives. It clearly did. If the US is testing like South Korea or Germany are, the death toll isn't 60,000+ people today. If PPE was produced at the rate needed, we're seeing significantly fewer transmissions.
Your statement about WHO saying there was no transmission person to person is incorrect. They said they "had no evidence" that it did.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-communicable/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/fa...ck-on-the-who/Quote:
Jan. 12 WHO news release: “The evidence is highly suggestive that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan. The market was closed on 1 January 2020. At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission.”
Analysis: The WHO uses terms such as “no clear evidence,” but it also associates the new virus with SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and urges protection for health workers. It notes that some coronaviruses can “transmit easily from person to person.” But the WHO is mainly echoing information provided by China — where there already was growing evidence of human-to-human transmission, though the Chinese government did not admit that yet.
Look you can kiss Trump's *** all you want. Arguing whether more aggressive action with the information available was unwarranted is ludicrous. He sat on his hands, downplayed it, and that cost lives.Quote:
the WHO never said the virus was not communicable. Instead, the agency always considered the possibility, even if it also shared information from China that found no evidence of such transmission.
Trump’s mention of mid-January is likely a reference to an early morning Jan. 14 tweet from the WHO. “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities,” it said, “have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.”
Lack of evidence, especially of “preliminary” results, does not mean the WHO was saying the novel coronavirus could not be spread between people.
The same day as the tweet, the WHO cautioned that there might be some human-to-human transmission of the virus among family members in China.
If this doesn't show you generally how bad this country botched this virus, idk what will. If #s are to be believed, US is 3rd in confirmed positives per test. THIRD.
We are a ****ing first world country. Just a piss poor job. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a589252f5a.jpg
Also, we would be even worse if everyone who had symptoms got tested(other countries obviously as well) but just to show how ****ing wide spread it is here.
How not everyone who should get tested has gotten tested just is another reminder of how bad this country as a whole handled it.
But you know, keep on protesting your ''freedoms'' apparently getting taken away.
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Dr, do we need to talk about scandal the New York Times went thru with their reporters that lied, and faked and cheated their way through story after story? Plagiarized material from other publications and the reporter pretended to be at places he had never been to.Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Ever since then I can’t take the NY Times seriously anymore. They were a laughingstock.
Do you ever go back to a restaurant that had very bad service or a bad experience at that particular place? I usually don’t.
So save it with the Times.
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Originally Posted by RCSownsU
So where is your graphs that showed us just prior to the flattening of the curve?
That is all we heard from the media and people who showed us the charts.
We are we know as a whole Country with the curve?
Has the narrative changed?
It sure seems with the media. We just see the death rates and the bad idea of reopening.
It seems like the liberal media wants this to go on and on....
A month ago it was we need to get to the flattening of the curve area and things would start to improve.
I’m not singling you out just saying you where showing us the curve charts and graphs and have not seen it from you in a while.
We could be a few steps from the bottom and the damn liberal media would still say it is too soon to reopen.
Lmao. CNN doesn’t sensationalize?Quote:
Originally Posted by drt1010
Please Dr.
Quit drinking their kool aid as well.
Well, the real point is on Jan 15 the WHO said that the Coronavirus was not transmitted through humans..Quote:
Originally Posted by goingfor28
Were Countries supposed to believe them for their word or not?
The Trump haters respect the WHO yet they ignore that fact.
This is hilarious!
We are going through a horrible pandemic and yet the Trump opposition will fight tooth and nail with anything Trump wants to do. Anything. Everything he does or wants to do is wrong, everything.
This is just a huge part of the game that is going into the 4th quarter.
The Dems had nothing to beat Trump on, absolutely nothing. He was a runaway train to the finish line back on Jan 1.
The Dems were reaching for air.
This is all they have now is the virus. They will attach themselves to this until November.
This virus is now being used as a political tool. What a joke.
They question on how bad the economy is NOW... IT WAS WILLFULLY stopped yet the liberal media and Dems now talk about how bad the unemployment is like it was all Trump’s fault.
What a joke.