Coronavirus politics and news.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Jorge the point I think you are missing, in order to achieve herd immunity millions must contract the disease. In the process 100"s of thousands could potentially die. While herd immunity is scientific fact, it is not generally viewed as the frontline defense, more often it's a last resort.

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The point you are missing is that there is no way to beat a virus without either a vaccine or herd immunity . We are approaching 4 months since the first reported cases in this country . There is a good chance that most of the population has already been exposed to the virus . And the fact that a vast majority of infections don’t require hospitalization or result in death , then it is safe to assume there has been some kind of herd immunity that has happened Or happening .

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Originally Posted by Posada20

The point you are missing is that there is no way to beat a virus without either a vaccine or herd immunity . We are approaching 4 months since the first reported cases in this country . There is a good chance that most of the population has already been exposed to the virus . And the fact that a vast majority of infections don’t require hospitalization or result in death , then it is safe to assume there has been some kind of herd immunity that has happened Or happening .

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Not even close. I will agree as much as 25% of population may be asymptomatic, far from the required numbers for herd immunity to be considered viable.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

And then there are those who are politicizing this virus to control the people by expanding the powers of the govt . Both sides are using the virus to control the people .

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What expansion of powers? This solely comes down to those who dont like the length of the shutdown. If the American government did more to help American people instead of Ruth Chris Steakhouse, people wouldn't be stressed with the combination of the virus and trying to make ends meet.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Say what you want about that poster , but that post is 100% truth . Governments during the entire history of man had always used fear to control the people . This virus is now being used as a political tool to control the the people . It is a scientific fact that there are only 2 long term solutions to this virus, a vaccine and herd immunity . With the virus here for atleast 3 months , chances are most of the population has already been exposed to the virus by now . So the only true reason to continue closures now is to maintain control of the people .

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That's a scientific fact? Remember your use of the word "fact". I can gladly re-quote those posts in which you cite those "facts"

Chances are not that most of the population has had it. Certainly more than we realize but if we had, umm. tests and contact tracing (a great way to give people jobs who are unemployed by the way) we would know.


There are more than 2 long term solutions to viruses. That is a fact. Do your research before posting incorrect statements.
Did you know the common cold is Covid?
Do you know why it's called covid 19?

Do governments use fear? Of course.
Telling people the economy will collapse, they will lose their jobs and benefits and they are losing they are losing freedom, is also fear mongering.

The longer we stay closed, the more people gain power. That is what is scaring the administration and that is why they push to return.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

What expansion of powers? This solely comes down to those who dont like the length of the shutdown. If the American government did more to help American people instead of Ruth Chris Steakhouse, people wouldn't be stressed with the combination of the virus and trying to make ends meet.

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Some are concerned that the dems will push through more permanent "socialist" programs that would make everyone's live's easier. That's the fear of the right. And the reason for the push to get back.

Jorge simple math. We have 1.34M confirmed cases in the US, 1% of the US population would be almost 3.3M. Based on early estimates of this virus’s infectiousness, we will likely need at least 70% (or as high as 90%) of the population to be immune to have herd protection. You do the math.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Jorge simple math. We have 1.34M confirmed cases in the US, 1% of the US population would be almost 3.3M. Based on early estimates of this virus’s infectiousness, we will likely need at least 70% (or as high as 90%) of the population to be immune to have herd protection. You do the math.

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12. The math is 12.

It's always 12 , 28. Except when it isn't.

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Originally Posted by goingfor28

12. The math is 12.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

Jorge simple math. We have 1.34M confirmed cases in the US, 1% of the US population would be almost 3.3M. Based on early estimates of this virus’s infectiousness, we will likely need at least 70% (or as high as 90%) of the population to be immune to have herd protection. You do the math.

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That is 1.34 million known cases . Everyone knows a majority of infected either never develop symptoms Or never have much more than a cold . Factor that and the fact that the virus has been in the country for atleast a month before the closures started , it isn’t a stretch to think a majority of the population has been exposed to the virus by now .

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Originally Posted by Posada20

That is 1.34 million known cases . Everyone knows a majority of infected either never develop symptoms Or never have much more than a cold . Factor that and the fact that the virus has been in the country for atleast a month before the closures started , it isn’t a stretch to think a majority of the population has been exposed to the virus by now .

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There's a difference between exposed and contracted. You can't assume a majority of people have contracted it when only 15% of the people tested (in the most densely populated areas) have antibodies. If you were talking significantly higher numbers then it would be different but even if you assume margin of error, maybe 1 in 5 people have antibodies. Maybe with a big question mark. That's not nearly enough for herd immunity.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

That is 1.34 million known cases . Everyone knows a majority of infected either never develop symptoms Or never have much more than a cold . Factor that and the fact that the virus has been in the country for atleast a month before the closures started , it isn’t a stretch to think a majority of the population has been exposed to the virus by now .

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It's a HUGE stretch! 1.34M vs 334M. Even if we use a very liberal number of 25% infection rate in the population that is still 83.5M people! Remember for a herd immunity we need a minimum number of 70%, we are no where near that close. Many experts believe due to it's ease of transmission that number could be as high as 90% infection rate.

For perspective on herd immunity, if we achieved the lower 25% infection number of 83.5M how many deaths would we suffer?

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Originally Posted by drt1010

It's a HUGE stretch! 1.34M vs 334M. Even if we use a very liberal number of 25% infection rate in the population that is still 83.5M people! Remember for a herd immunity we need a minimum number of 70%, we are no where near that close. Many experts believe due to it's ease of transmission that number could be as high as 90% infection rate.

For perspective on herd immunity, if we achieved the lower 25% infection number of 83.5M how many deaths would we suffer?

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Well the infection numbers are still going up and most people are still going shopping in crowded super markets . So again it is not a stretch to think that a majority of the population has already been exposed to this virus already . I never said it was a fact since there is no conclusive proof of it until there are mass antibody tests throughout the country .

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Well the infection numbers are still going up and most people are still going shopping in crowded super markets . So again it is not a stretch to think that a majority of the population has already been exposed to this virus already . I never said it was a fact since there is no conclusive proof of it until there are mass antibody tests throughout the country .

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Which makes herd immunity not an option. You dont have adequate testing to prove that theory (and the available testing says you're at about 15%) so yeah let's just go put that into practice.

Again, exposure and contraction are two very different concepts as well.

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Originally Posted by Posada20

Well the infection numbers are still going up and most people are still going shopping in crowded super markets . So again it is not a stretch to think that a majority of the population has already been exposed to this virus already . I never said it was a fact since there is no conclusive proof of it until there are mass antibody tests throughout the country .

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Exposure and having antibodies are two completely different scenarios. Herd immunity is untenable, it assumes that likely 70 to 90% of the entire population will contract COVID-19. How many will have to die? According to those who would like us to use herd immunity as a plan, the dead will be the dispensable citizens who were going to die anyway. The old, the infirm, the sick, the poor, the imprisoned and the addicted will bear the brunt. Their “sacrifice” will allow the rest to survive but, more important, get a haircut, go out to dinner and see a show. But don’t forget, the virus also kills some who are otherwise healthy.

You are correct in one assumption, without mass testing we have no clue.