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Originally Posted by NJBASEBALL22

Unfortunately (rolls eyes) the first amendment and the right to peaceful assemble and protest extends to the grimmest of people, even the KKK. I know, Trump’s fault again even though he literally had nothing to do with signing there permits.


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One white supremacist wrote, “Our Glorious Leader and ULTIMATE SAVIOR has gone full-wink-wink-wink to his most aggressive supporters.”(Andrew Anglin Daily Stormer ) http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion.ly/hap...-back-to-back/

Some of them even argued that Trump has softened the greater public to their racist messaging. “The success of the Trump campaign just proves that our views resonate with millions,” said Rachel Pendergraft, a national organizer for the Knights Party, which succeeded David Duke’s Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. “They may not be ready for the Ku Klux Klan yet, but as anti-white hatred escalates, they will.”

Following the Charlottesvilles' debacle, David Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, said that the rally was meant “to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump.”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...macist-racism/

His history of racism dates back to the 70' in NYC, when the US Department of Justice sued him for racial discrimination. I lived my entire adult life witnessing first hand his racism, sexism and xenophobia.

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Originally Posted by drt1010

One white supremacist wrote, “Our Glorious Leader and ULTIMATE SAVIOR has gone full-wink-wink-wink to his most aggressive supporters.”(Andrew Anglin Daily Stormer )

Some of them even argued that Trump has softened the greater public to their racist messaging. “The success of the Trump campaign just proves that our views resonate with millions,” said Rachel Pendergraft, a national organizer for the Knights Party, which succeeded David Duke’s Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. “They may not be ready for the Ku Klux Klan yet, but as anti-white hatred escalates, they will.”

Following the Charlottesvilles' debacle, David Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, said that the rally was meant “to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump.”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...macist-racism/

His history of racism dates back to the 70' in NYC, when the US Department of Justice sued him for racial discrimination. I lived my entire adult life witnessing first hand his racism, sexism and xenophobia.

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Same argument that democrats love to make. David Duke supports Trump so that means Trump is a racist. That is some backwards logic. Just because someone likes or supports you doesn’t mean you now fall under their viewpoint umbrella.

So you taking a bunch of quotes from KKK members doesn’t prove anything. You can think he is racist all you want, but you can’t prove he is racist. Trump has employed more blacks and Latinos then any of you guys have put together.


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Originally Posted by NJBASEBALL22

Same argument that democrats love to make. David Duke supports Trump so that means Trump is a racist. That is some backwards logic. Just because someone likes or supports you doesn’t mean you now fall under their viewpoint umbrella.

So you taking a bunch of quotes from KKK members doesn’t prove anything. You can think he is racist all you want, but you can’t prove he is racist. Trump has employed more blacks and Latinos then any of you guys have put together.


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Oh I can make a strong case.

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.

1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”

2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”

2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”

2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”

2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a ”carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.

2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

For many people, none of these incidents, individually, may be totally damning: One of these alone might suggest that Trump is simply a bad speaker and perhaps racially insensitive (“politically incorrect,” as he would put it), but not overtly racist.

But when you put all these events together, a clear pattern emerges. At the very least, Trump has a history of playing into people’s racism to bolster himself — and that likely says something about him too.

And of course, there’s everything that’s happened through and since his presidential campaign.

As a candidate and president, Trump has made many more racist comments
On top of all that history, Trump has repeatedly made racist — often explicitly so — remarks on the campaign trail and as president:

Trump launched his campaign in 2015 by calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” who are “bringing crime” and “bringing drugs” to the US. His campaign was largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.
As a candidate in 2015, Trump called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. His administration eventually implemented a significantly watered-down version of the policy.

When asked at a 2016 Republican debate whether all 1.6 billion Muslims hate the US, Trump said, “I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them.”

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”
Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.

He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.

Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as “Pocahontas,” using her controversial — and later walked-back — claims to Native American heritage as a punchline.

At the 2016 Republican convention, Trump officially seized the mantle of the “law and order” candidate — an obvious dog whistle playing to white fears of black crime, even though crime in the US is historically low. His speeches, comments, and executive actions after he took office have continued this line of messaging.

In a pitch to black voters in 2016, Trump said, “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”

Trump stereotyped a black reporter at a press conference in February 2017. When April Ryan asked him if he plans to meet and work with the Congressional Black Caucus, he repeatedly asked her to set up the meeting — even as she insisted that she’s “just a reporter.”

In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters that stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”

Throughout 2017, Trump repeatedly attacked NFL players who, by kneeling or otherwise silently protesting during the national anthem, demonstrated against systemic racism in America.
Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti “all have AIDS,” and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” once they saw America. The White House denied that Trump ever made these comments.

Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” He then reportedly suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly black countries are bad.

Trump denied making the “shithole” comments, although some senators present at the meeting said they happened. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments, like Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests, will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests and his “shithole” comments is race.

Trump mocked Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign, again calling her “Pocahontas” in a tweet before adding, “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” The capitalized “TRAIL” is seemingly a reference to the Trail of Tears — a horrific act of ethnic cleansing in the 19th century in which Native Americans were forcibly relocated, causing thousands of deaths.

Trump tweeted that several black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of four of the members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US.

This list is not comprehensive, instead relying on some of the major examples since Trump announced his candidacy. But once again, there’s a pattern of racism and bigotry here that suggests Trump isn’t just misspeaking; it is who he is.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/o...-a-racist.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/14/u...-a-racist.html
https://www.vox.com/2016/2/1/1088913...age-thug-bossy
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...hools/1924291/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1992/10...1911719467200/

I can't comprehend how we have THAT many more cases and deaths than any other country. Like, nowhere else is even a remotely close 2nd place.

Just doesn't make any sense. Makes it look like everywhere else in the world just said **** it and stopped counting. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ed2a7fa383.jpg

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I can't comprehend how we have THAT many more cases and deaths than any other country. Like, nowhere else is even a remotely close 2nd place.

Just doesn't make any sense. Makes it look like everywhere else in the world just said **** it and stopped counting. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ed2a7fa383.jpg

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I'm sure some countries #s are fudged. But then so are our #s. Not everyone who had it got tested. Some due to lack of testing abilities, some due to having no/minor symptoms and not qualifying for testing, or just not realizing it and not getting tested.

Some countries put more strict isolation rules in place.

Some countries citizens were better with social distancing.

The biggest thing is the countries that had the highest test/per capita, were able to stop the spread more quickly. Compared to a country who while is testing a lot of people(US), test per capita is much lower than many other countries.


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I'm sure some countries #s are fudged. But then so are our #s. Not everyone who had it got tested. Some due to lack of testing abilities, some due to having no/minor symptoms and not qualifying for testing, or just not realizing it and not getting tested.

Some countries put more strict isolation rules in place.

Some countries citizens were better with social distancing.

The biggest thing is the countries that had the highest test/per capita, were able to stop the spread more quickly. Compared to a country who while is testing a lot of people(US), test per capita is much lower than many other countries.


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As a whole, we basically suck as a country.

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I'm sure some countries #s are fudged. But then so are our #s. Not everyone who had it got tested. Some due to lack of testing abilities, some due to having no/minor symptoms and not qualifying for testing, or just not realizing it and not getting tested.

Some countries put more strict isolation rules in place.

Some countries citizens were better with social distancing.

The biggest thing is the countries that had the highest test/per capita, were able to stop the spread more quickly. Compared to a country who while is testing a lot of people(US), test per capita is much lower than many other countries.


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That's the biggest reason why the virus has spread to the degree it has. Lack of testing. Its difficult to find contact traces when you only have a small % of people being tested. My mom works in a hospital on the administrative side and she said doctors and nurses only received antibody tests last week. She only got tested yesterday meanwhile we've known about this virus for months.

That's a failure of the federal government regardless of how many times Mush, Posada, etc come in here to defend the president.

Until testing capacity gets better, people are going to remain very cautious about their normal activity even as things open up.

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Did you know Eric Clapton is who's playing the While My Guitar Gently Weeps solo on the White Album? Fun fact.

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I never knew that until the late 1990s. I always thought that was George Harrison with the original recording.

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

I'm sure some countries #s are fudged. But then so are our #s. Not everyone who had it got tested. Some due to lack of testing abilities, some due to having no/minor symptoms and not qualifying for testing, or just not realizing it and not getting tested.

Some countries put more strict isolation rules in place.

Some countries citizens were better with social distancing.

The biggest thing is the countries that had the highest test/per capita, were able to stop the spread more quickly. Compared to a country who while is testing a lot of people(US), test per capita is much lower than many other countries.


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That list is the biggest lie I have ever seen.

China has done wonderful for over a month now. They were at 83,000 on March 31 and have been there since.

Just because reported cases are still here doesn’t mean all of those are going to die. 99% of the cases that reported a death are people who are very old, had an underlying Heath condition. Those people should be in a glass bubble u til a vaccine is ready.

Other than that let this thing just die out with the herd immunity.

I went on a cruise back in early Feb. I didn’t want to go but went anyway. We were with a party of around 12 people....The day we drove back home from the East Coast of Florida I started to get sick. I was sick for about 10 days with 4 of those the worst. My cough persisted for 3 weeks. It felt like the typical flu..This was around Feb 14.....Our cruise went through the Caribbean for 6 days. The reported cases in the US at that time were like a few.... if the worry at that time in Feb was still very little because of the way the talk was with Trump. Now looking back I think he did a poor job. If he was more serious I highly ineven get on that damn boat.

My point is back in February even Dr’s couldn’t distinguish the symptoms of the flu and coronavirus.

I bet this Country had many cases in January and was passed off as the typical regular normal flu.....

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I went on a cruise back in early Feb. I didn’t want to go but went anyway. We were with a party of around 12 people....The day we drove back home from the East Coast of Florida I started to get sick. I was sick for about 10 days with 4 of those the worst. My cough persisted for 3 weeks. It felt like the typical flu..This was around Feb 14.....Our cruise went through the Caribbean for 6 days. The reported cases in the US at that time were like a few.... if the worry at that time in Feb was still very little because of the way the talk was with Trump. Now looking back I think he did a poor job. If he was more serious I highly ineven get on that damn boat.

My point is back in February even Dr’s couldn’t distinguish the symptoms of the flu and coronavirus.

I bet this Country had many cases in January and was passed off as the typical regular normal flu.....

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I absolutely agree with the bold text, I honestly don't think we have anywhere close to an accurate count of how many people have actually had this thing.

BTW Nicky, you made a point yesterday that it was U and Jorge against the whole liberal board. I am very much a conservative and was a Trump fan until this happened. I completely agree with you that there isn't some road map to follow because no one has had to deal with something like this in modern times. That said Trump has handled this worse than most with his daily briefing on his " STATS" and the lack of or flat bad info he and his admin have been pushing.

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Originally Posted by NJBASEBALL22

Same argument that democrats love to make. David Duke supports Trump so that means Trump is a racist. That is some backwards logic. Just because someone likes or supports you doesn’t mean you now fall under their viewpoint umbrella.

So you taking a bunch of quotes from KKK members doesn’t prove anything. You can think he is racist all you want, but you can’t prove he is racist. Trump has employed more blacks and Latinos then any of you guys have put together.


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If you were hosting a gathering, and it was a very diverse group of all races, religions, sexualities, and an argument broke out between some of the people. Now in that argument, there were genuinely, nice people in the mix but on one side there were some people throwing racial, homophobic slurs and threatening violence to those people.

Would say to the party, hey, "Everyone is cool and we all have a right to speak"? Or would you tell the racists and homophobes to get out?

I'd tell them to get out. I would tell the crowd disagreement is fine until it leads to language and ideologies that empower hate and violence against a group based on race, religion or preference.
I would make it clear that it is ok that don't agree with certain views but as long as they are expressed in productive fashion, it's all good. I would also make it clear that we, as a group would have no tolerance for bigotry.

Our president conveniently, left out the second part. But you are ok with that.

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Rock and roll trivia.

"The First Cut Is The Deepest" a hit song for several different artists, including P.P. Arnold (#18 in the UK in 1967), Keith Hampshire (#1 in Canada in 1973), Rod Stewart (#1 in the UK in 1976), Papa Dee (#5 in Sweden in 1995) and Sheryl Crow (#14 in the US in 2003).

Who wrote it in 1967. NO Cheating!

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Please
Yusef Islam

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Originally Posted by RCSownsU

I'm sure some countries #s are fudged. But then so are our #s. Not everyone who had it got tested. Some due to lack of testing abilities, some due to having no/minor symptoms and not qualifying for testing, or just not realizing it and not getting tested.

Some countries put more strict isolation rules in place.

Some countries citizens were better with social distancing.

The biggest thing is the countries that had the highest test/per capita, were able to stop the spread more quickly. Compared to a country who while is testing a lot of people(US), test per capita is much lower than many other countries.


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The non testing in this country is also slowing the escalation of the numbers. I am not buying that we were increasing close to 50k a day a week and a half ago, but now it's like 10k a day.