Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by brett05

Never said it once. You are struggling staying on topic my friend.



No one said it can't. You are strawmanning something severe here.

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You're insinuating as much because it seems like the only time that over reporting comes up is in regards to the US.

You said it. You said it was "hard to say" that Covid accelerates the death of those with serious comorbidities which is a foolish statement.

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Originally Posted by brett05

Numbers way overreported in Florida.

Folks, there's no way to deny it that the numbers are overreported. None.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fo...ovid-19-report

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Those numbers are only the % of positive results in those labs. Essentially, you are erroneously thinking that if a lab reported 100% positive rates on 100 people who tested positive but were actually at 9%, that means only 9 people were infected and not 100. But what it actually means is if the rate is 9% then 900 people were tested and the same 100 people who were positive are still positive.

This does not mean only 9% of people who are believed to have covid have it, it means that they have tested far more people than the erroneous numbers indicate.


It's the difference between raw numbers and %. If you're still confused, let me know.

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Originally Posted by metswon69

You're insinuating as much because it seems like the only time that over reporting comes up is in regards to the US.

You said it. You said it was "hard to say" that Covid accelerates the death of those with serious comorbidities which is a foolish statement.

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1) Last time I am saying this, we are speaking of the virus in the US. Try better to be on topic.
2) It's hard to say that COVID accelerated a death. It could have.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Those numbers are only the % of positive results in those labs. Essentially, you are erroneously thinking that if a lab reported 100% positive rates on 100 people who tested positive but were actually at 9%, that means only 9 people were infected and not 100. But what it actually means is if the rate is 9% then 900 people were tested and the same 100 people who were positive are still positive.

This does not mean only 9% of people who are believed to have covid have it, it means that they have tested far more people than the erroneous numbers indicate.


It's the difference between raw numbers and %. If you're still confused, let me know.

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It's a fact that the numbers are over-reported. Nothing has changed.

I think it would be best to see where we agree then where we disagree.

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Originally Posted by valade16

No, that article does not. You are confused on what the term excess deaths mean. You seem to think it means deaths we may be over reporting, but in the article excess deaths actually mean:

Excess deaths measure the difference between observed number of deaths and expected number of deaths. GlobalData calculates that there have been approximately 47,000 to 52,000 excess deaths since February 2, 2020. The causes of these excess deaths may include additional unreported COVID-19 cases.


Essentially, they look at the annual deaths in the US at this time and then look at the number of deaths we had in the US (excluding officially determined covid deaths) and found we had a higher amount of deaths this year than in previous years yet those deaths were not attributed to Covid. They are saying some of those excess deaths are likely covid related and just not determined as such due to lack of testing, etc.


If you are confused as to what the article believes, here is their synopsis:

COVID-19 deaths are most likely being underreported in the US, according to GlobalData, a leading data and analytics company.

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What part of the quote do you not understand? It says that there is a range of deaths that have been attributed to Covid. I think its closer to the lower end of the range. You think its closer to the higher end of the range.
I agree that Covid cases have been under reported, making the mortality rate of the virus lower than reported. This is not to make light of anyone who has died of the disease. Many deaths are attributed to Covid that are actually due to other causes -- kidney failure (previously diagnosed), strokes (prior to Covid infection), heart disease (prior to Covid infection), lung disease (prior to Covid). Covid does no one any good, but does not kill as many people as it has been reported to have.

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Originally Posted by catman

What part of the quote do you not understand? It says that there is a range of deaths that have been attributed to Covid. I think its closer to the lower end of the range. You think its closer to the higher end of the range.
I agree that Covid cases have been under reported, making the mortality rate of the virus lower than reported. This is not to make light of anyone who has died of the disease. Many deaths are attributed to Covid that are actually due to other causes -- kidney failure (previously diagnosed), strokes (prior to Covid infection), heart disease (prior to Covid infection), lung disease (prior to Covid). Covid does no one any good, but does not kill as many people as it has been reported to have.

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That is not what it says at all :laugh2:

The range of deaths they are talking about are excess deaths. They are saying the excess deaths likely due to Covid range, but any amount of excess deaths is beyond the official Covid count. So their variance is between how many more Covid deaths there are than the official count.

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Originally Posted by brett05

I think it would be best to see where we agree then where we disagree.

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Where do you think we agree?

Honestly, some of the discussion reminds me of the AIDS deaths. Most people who have AIDS die from something else. But they are classified as dying from AIDS. Kind of the same thing here.

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Originally Posted by brett05

1) Last time I am saying this, we are speaking of the virus in the US. Try better to be on topic.
2) It's hard to say that COVID accelerated a death. It could have.

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And i am being on topic. I said you're insinuating that cases are only over reported here and presumably for political reasons.

No its not hard to say. Its foolishness.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Where do you think we agree?

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I think we should start a list:
Do we agree that COVID can be very dangerous?

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Originally Posted by metswon69

And i am being on topic. I said you're insinuating that cases are only over reported here and presumably for political reasons.

No its not hard to say. Its foolishness.

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I insinuated nothing. We are speaking of the US and over reporting of COVID cases in the US. Are you really not able to stay on topic?

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Originally Posted by brett05

I insinuated nothing. We are speaking of the US and over reporting of COVID cases in the US. Are you really not able to stay on topic?

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Yes and when i asked you the reasons for the overreporting in the US and us being the only country to do it, you deflected and didnt answer.

I mean i know the reasons why from my previous interactions with you but whatever.

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Originally Posted by brett05

I think we should start a list:
Do we agree that COVID can be very dangerous?

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Obviously

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Originally Posted by brett05

You say I am wrong and then right in the same response.
The numbers are off, as much as 25%. That's overblown. That's the facts. The narrative would be those saying way more and those saying way less.

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Yes, because you are right in saying covid death count is inaccurate, you are wrong in saying over reported by 25%.

You referred to it as a fact. It is not.



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