Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by valade16

A fine seems appropriate? Say $40?

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Finally. Like Pulling teeth.

Answer seems reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Finally. Like Pulling teeth.

Answer seems reasonable.

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So... do you actually agree with AOC that jail for this offense is excessive?

Probably.

And I'm not sure how many of them actually went to jail. I can see then getting apprehended, processed, in front of a judge, fined and released. Multiple offenders probably went to jail. Or they attempted to put them in jail.

I wonder what her solution is. She never really said. It seems like she wants no penalty at all.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Probably.

And I'm not sure how many of them actually went to jail. I can see then getting apprehended, processed, in front of a judge, fined and released. Multiple offenders probably went to jail. Or they attempted to put them in jail.

I wonder what her solution is. She never really said. It seems like she wants no penalty at all.

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again seems like a conculsion you jumped to. you might actually agree with her here

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Originally Posted by ewing

again seems like a conculsion you jumped to. you might actually agree with her here

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Not a chance.

She is alluding to this against the establishment attitude that she loves. The little guy pushing back against the big guy. The oppressed poor fighting for their meager share against the rich.

No. No conclusions were jumped to.

Policing these places and especially jailing people who skip the toll costs so much more money than what NYC is actually losing when people skip the toll. Anyone who cares this deeply about poor people not paying a small toll is telling on themselves.

This isn't why NYC is a nightmare of inequality. This isn't why the subway system is a colossal mess. There is so much room for valid criticism of the liberal leadership in cities like NYC (or SF, LA, whatever) that contribute to all sorts of problems and massive inequality (that begets more and more issues). But of course the usual suspects here care so much about this stuff instead because they're just foaming at the mouth to lock up more poor people and more minorities.

As always,

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -- Frank Wilhoit.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Not a chance.

She is alluding to this against the establishment attitude that she loves. The little guy pushing back against the big guy. The oppressed poor fighting for their meager share against the rich.

No. No conclusions were jumped to.

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God forbid

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Originally Posted by ManRam

Policing these places and especially jailing people who skip the toll costs so much more money than what NYC is actually losing when people skip the toll. Anyone who cares this deeply about poor people not paying a small toll is telling on themselves.

This isn't why NYC is a nightmare of inequality. This isn't why the subway system is a colossal mess. There is so much room for valid criticism of the liberal leadership in cities like NYC (or SF, LA, whatever) that contribute to all sorts of problems and massive inequality (that begets more and more issues). But of course the usual suspects here care so much about this stuff instead because they're just foaming at the mouth to lock up more poor people and more minorities.

As always,

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -- Frank Wilhoit.

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The bolded is absolute crap. As long as opportunity is equal, you make or break your own way through the world/.

regarding the fare jumper issue…it's like Giulani's broken window theory. You can't just let the small stuff go by. It eventually leads to a reduced quality of life for everyone as a whole.

And just so you know…rich people pay huge amounts of taxes and rarely use mass transit. They're into cabs, limos and car service. Or walk because many live in Manhattan. The people being hurt by the fare jumpers are the middle class that rides the transit.

And the fare jumpers hurt themselves¬is it worth having any kind of record over $2.75. It's dumb.

You absolutely can let the small stuff go. Countless examples. Hell, think of the war on drugs.

We gotta stop letting the big stuff go. The stuff Republicans are always willing to overlook. Especially in terms of financial crimes, like we're discussing here.

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Originally Posted by ManRam

You absolutely can let the small stuff go. Countless examples. Hell, think of the war on drugs.

We gotta stop letting the big stuff go. The stuff Republicans are always willing to overlook. Especially in terms of financial crimes, like we're discussing here.

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You shouldn't let any of it go.

It all goes towards quality of life.

Small stuff matters.

One thing that always struck me about poor neighborhoods is how run down and messy they look. Makes them appear depressing ==> makes people feel depressed ==> leads to negative thinking. It doesn't cost anything to keep the hoods neat so why are they so messy? People need a little more self respect and respect in general for what is going on around them.

Starts small.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

I agree with al of that.

What invariably happens is that the people that do this kind of stuff, cry poverty and hardship, get a public defender and in the interest of time and money the courts just move the case along. All at the public's cost.

The Jane Fonda situation should be interesting. Millionnaire that keeps doing the same thing over and over. Should be interesting. Stay tuned.

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You are ****ing obsessed with Jane Fonda.

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

You are ****ing obsessed with Jane Fonda.

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People over 60 have a weird thing with Hanoi Jane. Honestly, and I dislike communists as much as anyone, she's probably a better person to get political opinions from compared to Cardi B. Just another example of why we're probably in the end times.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Not a chance.

She is alluding to this against the establishment attitude that she loves. The little guy pushing back against the big guy. The oppressed poor fighting for their meager share against the rich.

No. No conclusions were jumped to.

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Drain the swamp

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Originally Posted by spliff(TONE)

You are ****ing obsessed with Jane Fonda.

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Ummm no!

I am just interested in other people's viewpoints.

Fonda has been in the news 3 weeks in a row (maybe she is obsessed with getting into the news).

She has committed the same crime or misdemeanor three weeks in a row and has said she will keep doing this all the while thumbing her nose at the "system." Each time she is arrested time and assets are being wasted.

So the question is…what should be done about this.

Granted it is an annoyance crime but she intentionally commits this annoyance over and over again. So what should be done about this?

Suppose someone bocks the entrance to you job and you can't get onside until the police come and remove the person. And the same person does the same thing every week…are you OK with that? If not, what should be done?

And before someone suggests the death penalty, just move on without posting.

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Originally Posted by ManRam

Policing these places and especially jailing people who skip the toll costs so much more money than what NYC is actually losing when people skip the toll. Anyone who cares this deeply about poor people not paying a small toll is telling on themselves.

This isn't why NYC is a nightmare of inequality. This isn't why the subway system is a colossal mess. There is so much room for valid criticism of the liberal leadership in cities like NYC (or SF, LA, whatever) that contribute to all sorts of problems and massive inequality (that begets more and more issues). But of course the usual suspects here care so much about this stuff instead because they're just foaming at the mouth to lock up more poor people and more minorities.

As always,

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -- Frank Wilhoit.

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it's about more than just the toll, it's the complete disregard for the law. someone willing to break the law for a $2.75 toll is stupid and deserves to be punished.

if someone can not afford $2.75 toll then they have bigger problems.