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Every politician has made mistakes and on top of that if you pull a single sentence from anyone you can distort their meaning etc. too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
It is amazing how insanely partisan people are becoming that saying we need to invent new technology is somehow now an issue without context
1) That literally is the full context. She added nothing to the discussion and when asked to clarify what she meant, said she wasn't an expert on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
2) No, the issue is you guys are defending her without any legitimacy other than being LIBERALS. I don't care if she is a liberal. I care if she is generating good discussions. She isn't. And her reasoning for many subjects, such as the Amazon proposal, shows she isn't qualified to represent MILLIONS of people.
3) Except, she can has no clue what those new techology is. Simply saying words on top of words doesn't make you a productive individual. Let me ask you this, if you're presenting to a group of individuals and your speech consists of, "We need to invent technology that hasn't even been invented yet", how many people are going to sit there thinking you've done a great job? They're going to want to know what type of technology or tool you expect to create. Okay, okay, she's not an engineer or technologically sound. That's not a problem. But part of your job as a POLITICIAN representing millions of people is to get that information. And quite frankly, she doesn't have any. She just likes to talk about issues with ideas that aren't conducive to achieving them. Just like her Green New Deal in which she stated that she wanted to replace ALL and NEW buildings into being environmentally friendly as possible but gave no solution as to how she would achieve that. How in any way is this constructive debate? If I was in college still and wrote nonsense like this, they would have failed me two paragraphs into my essay.
Plenty of politicians, huh? Name me one politician who has made as many blunders as she had while being as young and outspoken as she is. I'll wait, partner. If you can't defend her positions, then you shouldn't be defending her, period. Just come out and say it: You will like AOC regardless of whether she is right or wrong because you are liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
Aside from her mistakes (yes, she has made plenty), her politics (yes, she a democratic socialist), her youth, and the fact that she’s getting paid lots of money (your money I might add) — there is one very good reason to like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez: she makes right wingnuts like you have massively overblown internet hissy-fits (and on a sports forum, no less).Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
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Originally Posted by FlashBolt
1. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oc...hnology-quote/
Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is pitching a “Green New Deal” that she says would overhaul U.S. energy use, reduce carbon emissions and create new jobs.
“We can put so many people to work,” Ocasio-Cortez told an audience at a televised town hall Monday night. “We need to refit so many pipes. We need to re-lay roads. We need to rebuild schools. We need to invent technology that’s never even been invented yet.”
Although the sentence seems awkwardly worded when considered alone, its meaning in the context of discussing the creation of jobs through the pioneering of new, environmentally-friendly technologies was reasonably clear.
2. You guys/being LIBERALS? See you already seem to be lumping people in with teams, it's you being extremely partisan here (notice not you guys, you specifically because I am not playing teams but talking to an individual). If you don't care why keep bringing it up and playing these games attacking sides lol this is very hypocritical.
A major reason she isn't creating great discussion is that people like yourself are focused on attacking her and playing sides instead of discussing things rationally it seems. You were the one arguing over a single sentence instead of any broad topic lol. It wasn't her choice to make you focus on something so ridiculous/not leading to discussion don't blame her for your own choices. There are tons of meaningful discussions on things she has done/policies she has talked about but when you play team games/are focused on attacking liberals/sides that debate won't happen as seen.
3. She is flawed as most politicians are and I have some similar issues with some things she says/does as well. As a whole I think someone pushing to help the country/environment with a plan even if flawed is far better than ignoring the problem completely as many politicians do. This creates discussion, how that discussions goes is up to the people having it. She is bringing some good policy to the forefront, appears to genuinely care about helping people, and is doing things you would want of politicians in multiple ways (attending hearings that are mostly empty, staying on topic during questioning, tweeting to expose corruption/issues in the process she has gone through so far etc). It isn't like she is here to solve all of our issues or be the smartest person in congress, again I do get she has flaws its just that so do most politicians who don't seem nearly as genuine or pushing to make real changes like she has.
Just like you guys have hissy-fits over Trump? Oh, didn't realize you're not contradicting your stupid assumption, eh? You are too easy. And it's funny you think I'm a right wingnut. I already told you that this thread only exists because she has so much content to discuss. She's the most outspoken individual outside of Trump with a huge social media following. I'm sorry you can't connect the dots and think she's driving people mad. The only time I ever got mad was when she ruined my district of Amazon's proposal in coming here because it personally affects me and other people I know living here. Other than that, her stupidity is only going to cause the Democratic party a loss and you can bank that when in 2020, they lose because they've gone so far left. And I bet by then, you will still be whining about Trump when the only reason you guys lost was due to your party going so far left. Good job, pal. Back to ignore you go and don't worry, people like you make people like me happy because I wake up knowing there's another person that is less intelligent than I am. Crovash, you are a service to the community - thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crovash
Why does as young matter? That's just an identity, old people don't hold some advantage in who gets to be outspoken lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
Donald Trump is the POTUS and is more ridiculous with more lies.
I will like people pushing to expose corruption, push policy to fight climate change to the forefront, seem to genuinely care about helping people and this gets me labeled as liberal/left/dem by those playing team games on here, agreed. I can defend some of her positions, call out people playing team games, and still think she has some big flaws because not everything is black/white to me based on teams where if a side says something I have to agree.
1) There is no context. She literally said nothing about what type of technology. When I have a conference meeting, I have to bring ideas or I am unemployed. She will be unemployed in any business or formal setting talking about "We need new technology" but having zero recommendations. If her job is to sit there, get paid $180,000, and pretend she is doing something, then sure, she deserves everything she has gotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
2) I'm not attacking her. I'm attacking her position. Did I attack her face, complexion, race, gender? No. So you're already incorrect here. I'm sorry to tell you but if she was Trump or my mom, I wouldn't give a rat's ***. Her ideas are dumb and she is ignorant; period. It's also funny you are accusing me of grouping and assigning labels when you're the one who stated that I was against liberals. Again, do you have evidence I am against liberals with good ideas or am I against liberals with BAD ideas? There's a difference and if you can't decipher it, we don't need to go further on any of this.
3) But she isn't like any politician. She isn't the politician from Nebraska who keeps a low profile and does their work in legislating. The moment she decides to attract a "grass-root" following and then proceeds to push numerous tweets/posts about her ideas, she is openly asking for debate. And this thread is represented of every single thing she has said. If she says nothing, goes about her business on C-SPAN (where I guarantee more than 90% of you probably never even watched before), no one would hear a peep. It's the fact she goes on social media and bombards the opposition and claims her ideas are the way to go but when confronted with legitimate criticism, people try and defend her as if they are "right-wing" or "infatuated" with her. Believe me, no one is infatuated with her. I can tell you for a fact that personally, I think she will help the Republican party. I used to be a Democrat and just like Howard Schultz, I can no longer support the movement going on with some of these Democrats in their nonsensical explanations as to how they plan to solve the issues. Infatuated is used in a positive term. No, that isn't it. I'm amused that someone such as herself could solidify a position as a congress member within a year pushing such loony ideas. All that proves is everyone and anyone has a chance to become a congress member regardless of the legitimacy of their ideas.
Why does that matter? I'll illustrate it in a way you can probably understand:Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
You're the human resources manager at your company. On one hand, you have employee A and other, employee B.
Employee A has been working in your company for ten years. Employee B was just hired two months ago. Both employees have made ten mistakes each since the date they were first hired.
In case you couldn't do the math, Employee B is a bad employee relative to Employee A. In AOC's case, the amount of false, incorrect, misleading, and blatant disregard for data in such a short period of time shows she was voted in not because of her problem-solving abilities or capabilities. She's exactly what she said is wrong about the government. Lies, lies, and lies.
1. Hahaha I just showed the sentance within the context of what she was saying from Snopes. It's almost like you don't care about the actual context or what she might have meant you just want to bash no matter the context because you are so biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
2. Her position that we should create new technology? LOL I strongly agree with her on that actually and think it would be crazy to disagree. Again as shown above what you want to do is nitpick a sentence within the context of what she was saying.
I have continued to point out you labeling liberals and attacking time and time again lol. It isn't just a one off, again you seem completely incapable of realizing context in any scenario... "Lots of liberals are on forum sites so you always know what you're going to get. People defending her are just as clueless, honestly. " "No, the issue is you guys are defending her without any legitimacy other than being LIBERALS"... These are quotes directly from you haha it was you attacking liberals from the very start, your agenda is obvious.
3. It isn't up to you how each individual represents their constituents. She is openly asking for debate sure I don't see a problem with that. People are allowed to use social media lol.
You can have all the opinions you want about her needing to be quiet and fit in (ok sluggo), not use social media as much, think she hurts dems, is loony and so on but that isn't really addressing anything said just your opinions on how people should live. I think other people should be able to decide for themselves.
So you just want someone who lies more per day type thing? Again easy the POTUS Donald Trump lies more and is more ridiculous on a regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
Except the things she gets called out for often aren't lies. It is focusing on a sentance outside of context like above. Bashing her for being liberal or looney or dumb. Saying she needs to fit in better and not _____ (use social media as much for example). We see it all throughout this thread MIXED in with legitimate criticism of her actually lying or clearly not understanding the full picture. Again someone bringing important issues to the forefront and trying to solve them even if a bit off in some ways is better than ignoring the problem/people of this country completely to play the same back and forth game we have been playing so long between establishment dems (Pelosi/Clintons) and Republicans/Trumpers.
It’s the Washington Examiner!Quote:
Originally Posted by FlakeyFool
Lmaoooo
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1) You didn't show me any context. Context would be what type of technology, etc., she plans on hoping would achieve the results she wants. All you did was copy and paste irrelevant statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35
2) Yes, that was after you ATTACKED me under the assumption I am AGAINST liberals.. follow along or get those eye glasses out.
3) Wow, you sure make a lot of excuses.. I wonder if you defended Trump in the same way. Can you provide any evidence in which you defended Trump for making a mistake? I swear, do it and I'll PayPal you $100 right now. Judging by your next response, I'm going to make a presumption that you will have zero evidence defending Trump by saying he made a mistake. I seriously have no clue what you are even talking about. Are you saying that because she has constitutents (lmao, it seems AOC has gotten you guys addicted to that word). she's allowed to lie?
Your agenda is very obvious. 1) I am not a Republican. If you want evidence that I registered as an independent, I'll be more than glad to send you a photo. 2) You are a liberal. Just come out and say it already instead of making implied arguments as to show you aren't "biased." 3) I'm done with you. There is no point. The very same reasons you defend AOC are the exact same reasons you attack Trump on. So why should I bother typing out worded responses to someone who is fixated on defending someone regardless of what is stated? No point. Here are the facts: Majority of PSD users are democrats and liberals and also, majority of Americans simply have no clue what they're talking about. You fall in line with both. See ya.
1. No that would be moving the climate change industry forward herself, lol if you expect politicians to be the ones advancing our technology within each industry. You can point out an industry has room for growth/new technology without giving the exact technology that will move it forward eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
2. No, I quoted your post first I responded to lol.
This is the first part of that post, would this make you a liar too?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlashBolt
3. Defended Trump? When did he push for climate change policies or look to help the environment in the same way? This seems like you are just once again playing some sort of sides. It depends what you mean, I have called out those saying Trump is destroying our politics etc. and pointed out he is just an extension of the same game (no different).
Can you give me an example of when Trump was pushing for stuff like this and getting attacked in the same you as AOC has throughout this thread in the same manner? Again for me it is about the context of each situation, you seem to think it is a game of sides where everything needs to be equally done for dems/reps or something weird.
Hahahaha I am done with you is exactly what I was saying about the issue in politics. I don't care about being called a liberal at all it just is irrelevant and you were using it to attack sides as shown. Pointing out context really seems to get you worked up, guess you prefer ignorance... You got called out for playing sides and bashing liberals/taking a sentance out of context and when evidence it provided and you can't get away with the same old lame BS rhetoric always seen on here (including lying yourself lol) you are "done". Put me on block like all the other posters trying to bring some sort of reason into conversations with you, fine by me. I can tell when someone is far too set in their ways to be reasonable.
He’s a QAnon independent, get off his back. If you don’t like it you are the dumbest person around and I’m done here. Later gator.Quote:
Originally Posted by mngopher35