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Kenny Powders
Kind of like shutting down the government over a vanity project. Oh wait, there was no plan in place there, just stupidity
sure if you want to believe the reason for the wall had no purpose, which would mean ignoring the thousands of illegal immigrants crossing the border, and the deaths from these illegal immigrants, and the children being separated from their parents. that doesn't even include drugs and human trafficking, but sure whatever you want to believe Mr Powders.
butwhatabout Trump.
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dbroncos78087
Out of curiosity, was AOC out there saying that if Hitler had just stayed in Germany then he would have been all hunky dory?
butwhatabout Candace Owens?
Candace Owens should have know better not to say anything about Hitler when the media would spin that to something negative.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sh/2818679002/
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After backlash, conservative pundit Candace Owens clarifies viral Hitler comment
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Conservative pundit and speaker Candace Owens has responded to criticism of recently unearthed remarks she made late last year commenting on Hitler while defending the term nationalism.
A clip of her answer posted to Twitter has been viewed more than two million times. Many on social media have criticized a portion of her answer in which Owens comments, "if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay fine."
On Friday, Owens dismissed the controversy and blamed "Leftist journalists" for mischaracterizing her comments.
Hitler was "a homicidal, psychotic maniac" and there is "no excuse or defense ever for ... everything that he did," she clarified.
Her comments were meant to show that Hitler was not a nationalist, she said. Hitler did not put Germans first; he "was putting German Jews into concentration camps and murdering — he was a mass murderer," she said.
She dismissed critics who said her comments meant that Hitler could have been great if he had just focused on Germany: "No, I'm saying Hitler wasn't a nationalist."
Owens faced a flurry of criticism on social media for the comments, including a spat with Chelsea Clinton on Twitter.
Owens' comments were made at a conservative event in London on Dec. 11, according to a recording of the event posted to YouTube by Brightspark Media.
In the comments, Owens answered an audience member who asked for a "longterm prognosis" about the terms "globalism" and "nationalism."
Owens embraced the term nationalism; claiming the definition gets "poisoned" by proponents of globalism.
She said:
I actually don't have any problems at all with the word 'nationalism.' I think that it gets, the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don't want. So when you think about, whenever we say 'nationalism,' the first thing people thing about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay fine. The problem is ... he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German. Everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. ... To me that's not nationalism.
Owens has embraced her role as a young black woman defending conservatism and attacking liberals. She has made headlines for praising two of America's more complicated men: Donald Trump and Kanye West.
Owens did not retract her comments in her later clarification "I stand by my statements and that is that," she said.
Her response came after critics of her comments, which were unearthed in a piece published by BuzzFeed news, posted their outrage to social media:
the Liberal media took part of what Candace Owens said and spun that in their favor while ignoring much else of what she said.
dbroncos78087 why are you butwhatbout Candace Owens in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thread?
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dbroncos78087
Can someone explain how the Trump or Bush tax cuts were paid for? They were cut and drastically raised the debt and deficit and are going to each add a couple trilllion dollars to what our children and grandchildren have to pay down the road.
Can someone explain how the Afghanistan and Iraq wars were paid for? They led to hundreds of billions of dollars in new spending in the short term along with uncounted productivity gains caused by soldiers who should be working jobs in this country as opposed to being dead, suffering from PTSD, or crippled physically.
how about sticking to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
how can anyone whine about the cost of Trump's border wall and be totally okay with the cost that this green deal would be. these are numbers into the trillions.
some of the things mentioned should be common sense to call stupid. eliminating all gasoline cars. eliminating planes. wanting to give money to anyone even unwilling to work. why would people want to work if they knew they would be given money anyway.
lost in the green deal talk, is this..
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oca...e-native-to-us
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Ocasio-Cortez calls to abolish ICE, says Latinos must be exempt from immigration laws because they are 'Native' to US
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New York Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Thursday vowed to defund U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and said all Latino people must be exempt from immigration laws because they are “native” to U.S. lands as they are descendants of Native people.
The Democrat Socialist made a speech against immigration laws and promised to abolish ICE just before she unveiled her widely-mocked Green New Deal on the same day. Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar and Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib also joined the calls to abolish ICE.
"[ICE] do not deserve a dime until they can prove that they are honoring human rights, until they can make a good faith effort to expand and embrace immigrants … Until they can prove good faith to an American ideal, they do not deserve any resources for their radical agenda,” Ocasio-Cortez said.
“We have to have respect for children, respect for families, respect for human rights, and respect for the right of human mobility,” she added.
Ocasio-Cortez then said the U.S. must adhere to “the right of human mobility” and went on to suggest that Latino people cannot be criminalized because they are Native people.
"Because we are standing on Native land, and Latino people are descendants of Native people. And we cannot be told and criminalized simply for our identity and our status,” she said.
"We are a nation and land of laws, not just [one where] some people are subject to laws and others are not," she continued. "We are a land of laws."The “abolish ICE” movement, while remains prevalent mostly within the far-left of the party, has gained traction last year, with New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, now a 2020 presidential candidate, endorsing the idea.
President Trump on Tuesday defended the agency against the calls for defunding, saying during the State of the Union address that America “will never abolish our heroes from ICE.”
The Democrats’ calls to abolish ICE were met with criticism from Republicans who accused the Democrats of endangering the country.
“Last year, ICE removed a Nazi from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s district. Her response: Abolish ICE. This week, MS-13 murdered someone in her district. Her response: Abolish ICE. AOC's calls aren't just endangering her community, they're endangering the entire country,” Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, wrote in a tweet.
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"[ICE] do not deserve a dime until they can prove that they are honoring human rights, until they can make a good faith effort to expand and embrace immigrants … Until they can prove good faith to an American ideal, they do not deserve any resources for their radical agenda,” Ocasio-Cortez said.
Immigration and Custom Enforcement are not there to help human rights or embrace immigrants.
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The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a law enforcement agency of the federal government of the United States tasked to enforce the immigration laws of the United States and to investigate criminal and terrorist activity of foreign nationals residing in the United States.[2] ICE has two primary components: Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO).
it's ignorant for AOC to talk about laws while not being able to understand that ILLEGAL immigrants are breaking the law by being in America.
her gibberish about Latino people are descendants of Native people is just stupid.
this is AOC.
since this thread has so much butwhatabout maybe there can be a butwhatabout another Democrat, Ilhan Omar.
this is her tweet..
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#Not1Dollar for DHS.
she doesn't even want funding for the Department of Homeland Security.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oma...rs-get-backpay
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Omar calls for defunding Homeland Security -- 1 hour after insisting that TSA workers get backpay
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Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., continues her streak of controversial tweets, this time taking aim at the Department of Homeland Security.
In a tweet Friday night, the freshman congresswoman refers to President Trump as "Individual 1," and insists he doesn’t have “public support” to “ram his hateful wall through Congress.”
“Let’s stand firm: #Not1Dollar to DHS,” Omar then urges fellow Democrats.
While there have been growing calls from Democrats to abolish ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), there hasn’t been a strong demand to defund the entire Department of Homeland Security, which also includes the Transportation Safety Administration, Secret Service, Coast Guard and Federal Emergency Management Agency.
But just an hour before calling for DHS to be defunded, as Fox News anchor Rob Schmidt points out, Omar tweeted her outrage on behalf of TSA workers in Minnesota who haven’t received back pay due to the recent partial government shutdown.
"Ilhan Omar angry and complaining TSA agents haven’t received back pay," Schmitt writes, "then an hour later calls to defund DHS... which would end TSA."
Omar has posted several controversial tweets since being elected to Congress, including when she accused President Trump of wanting a “coup” against Venezuela and insisted that Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., was “compromised." She has also posted several tweets attacking Israel, including one in which she agreed with a liberal activist that current-day Israel is similar to the U.S. South during the era of racial segregation.
