Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

nobody wants to talk about AOC being wrong. :shrug:

https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...6#post32775236

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was asked, "On a scale from zero to some, how many f---s do you give?"
she answered, "zero."

apparently Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does not know how quotation marks work. Colbert said "you're getting a fair amount of pushback from even members of your own party" and asked how many ****s she gives. she answered zero. this article is right and did not misquote her.

AOC commenting on media using an "angry" photo is comical. welcome to how the media acts AOC.

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Originally Posted by ManRam

This popped up on my Google News feed (I'm not a HuffPo fan).

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0ca92c6dd0ce6

He talks a little about this weird issue.

I don't really know if I like or agree with this article, but it's just nice to see someone else talk about this confusion. Whether I agree with his conclusion on those two or not.

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Thanks for that ... I've considered myself a capitalist reformer because I want to limit wealth at the top but not socialist because I fundamentally am against any nationalization which is a key part of every definition of socialism I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

nobody wants to talk about AOC being wrong. :shrug:

https://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...6#post32775236

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Nice to see you want to hold liars accountable now.

I missed this whole "controversy" and I don't watch Colbert so I have no idea what she said. Feels like a completely inconsequential lie though, if it was just that.

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Originally Posted by ManRam

This popped up on my Google News feed (I'm not a HuffPo fan).

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0ca92c6dd0ce6

He talks a little about this weird issue.



I don't really know if I like or agree with this article, but it's just nice to see someone else talk about this confusion. Whether I agree with his conclusion on those two or not.

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The writer has one thing right: it’s a matter of perspective. From the perspective of the hotel housekeeper or the cellar worker in a large brewery, there might be a difference between Sanders’ vision of socialism and Warren’s notion of reform capitalism.

But, to those with the resources to wield the real power in this country, the distinction indeed does not matter: both Sanders and Warren are “the enemy.”

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Originally Posted by Crovash

The writer has one thing right: it’s a matter of perspective. From the perspective of the hotel housekeeper or the cellar worker in a large brewery, there might be a difference between Sanders’ vision of socialism and Warren’s notion of reform capitalism.

But, to those with the resources to wield the real power in this country, the distinction indeed does not matter: both Sanders and Warren are “the enemy.”

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I hit the "I don't know if I agree or not" too hard. I absolutely have strong opinions about the two of them and what differentiates them. I was just trying to deflect from that and instead highlight the part that relates to the brief discussion Scoots and I had.

I personally think the differences between Sanders and Warren are not at all trivial, but I understand the issue of perspective like you said.

Bernie says, and has LONG said, that he is a socialist. Warren says she's a proud capitalist. How much differentiates them? I think a decent amount and that's a different story, but ideologically they're more similar to each other than they are to any other candidate, yet one calls himself a socialist and the other doesn't. I guess that's getting me closer to my ultimate point -- one that I'm not even sure I care much about tbh -- is that these words cover a much bigger ideological range than maybe we admit. Or maybe than they should. Or whatever. There's a lot of room for a lot of different thought under those massive umbrellas. Because really, we only frequently use two words to talk about these issues. That's not going to lead to much preciseness.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

I can do it ... but it won't happen without a major change in the system

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Said every presidential candidate for the last 40 years.....how are you going to somehow break the barrier? When regardless of how good your plan is that 50% of the people and 50% of Congress will oppose it with every fiber of their being. So it's a good concept as it's always been...but not happening in your or my lifetime.

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Originally Posted by ManRam

Nice to see you want to hold liars accountable now.

I missed this whole "controversy" and I don't watch Colbert so I have no idea what she said. Feels like a completely inconsequential lie though, if it was just that.

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who are the people always complaining about lying? it's either wrong for everyone or people are hypocrites.

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Originally Posted by Hatch

Said every presidential candidate for the last 40 years.....how are you going to somehow break the barrier? When regardless of how good your plan is that 50% of the people and 50% of Congress will oppose it with every fiber of their being. So it's a good concept as it's always been...but not happening in your or my lifetime.

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Like I said, make me emperor for a number of months and I can get it done :)

I think the best possibility we've got for progress in the current system is to convince congress to start using more test cases that last longer than their terms where the analysis of success is bipartisan.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

who are the people always complaining about lying? it's either wrong for everyone or people are hypocrites.

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Would you say the same of those who defend lies and liars?

Like yourself?

Go back to the kiddy table. You aren’t properly equipped for this kind of topic.

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Originally Posted by browski234

Would you say the same of those who defend lies and liars?

Like yourself?

Go back to the kiddy table. You aren’t properly equipped for this kind of topic.

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But what about ... *sigh*

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Originally Posted by browski234

Would you say the same of those who defend lies and liars?

Like yourself?

Go back to the kiddy table. You aren’t properly equipped for this kind of topic.

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you aren't properly equipped for any discussion and only spew whatever nonsense is on your mind.
you lie here on a regular basis. you make accusations of things I have said, that I haven't said.


to get back to the original topic, it would be hypocritical for one side to go on and on and on and on and on (ect/ect) about Trump lying on anything they can find/use to make a claim of lying, but say nothing when it's a Democrat that is lying. where is the Liberal media fact checking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

yeah, cause its the same

move along troll, focus on steel slats and hating immigrants.

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Originally Posted by FlakeyFool

yeah, cause its the same

move along troll, focus on steel slats and hating immigrants.

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I think it’s cute he thinks she’s a democrat after 50 pages demonizing her for being a socialist.

To be fair, AOC is left of center, far left, and journalists certainly should be calling her on her ****.

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Originally Posted by Scoots

To be fair, AOC is left of center, far left, and journalists certainly should be calling her on her ****.

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I should not matter where someone is on the political spectrum as to whether true journalists should be calling them out for their malfeasance, bad faith, prevarications, et al.