Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by ManRam

These are mostly legal asylum seekers.

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If you say so.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

If you say so.

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Glad we agree on something!

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Originally Posted by Crovash

I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it and what really offends me: it came from an avowed socialist!

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It's more that she's down playing actual state sponsored and led genocides with economic migrants. Even in the worst cases, it's people fleeing crime.
They're not remotely the same thing.
As far as offensiveness, your mileage may vary, but it's totally inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

It's a shame that the politicians who support Trump don't have the stones to come out and say that the problem with our immigration system that they talk about in general terms is that it caters too strongly to brown people and should focus on only white people. Honestly in our discourse would be helpful.

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The RAISE act that the republicans tried to pass would make our system resemble Australia and Canada's which would prioritize high skilled highly educated single people.
So mostly imigrants from China and India, who are screwed by the current "Diversity system" that puts quota's on how many people from any country can enter.
The people who would be helped the most would be BROWN people.

If you want honesty in discussion, why don't you be honest and say what you really mean from the above quote.....
I wish people I don't like would come out and say they were racist so I wouldn't have to debate the merits of their ideas, and I could just call them racist.

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Originally Posted by flips333

you are right fleeing violence and fleeing violence are totally different things.

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Fleeing from organized state sponsored violence, and fleeing from poverty and lack of opportunity aren't remotely the same thing.

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Originally Posted by FlashBolt

Alexandria is no different than Trump in that she feeds off those who think her policies can come to fruition. It won't. Her policies are way too liberal and absolutely makes zero sense. Federal guarantee of jobs at a $15 minimum wage is not only stupid but detrimental to society.

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I would love $15 per hour to take orders at a cashier


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Originally Posted by ManRam

These are mostly legal asylum seekers.

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Except when one isn’t and is a terrorist who ends up attacking someone or killing someone


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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

I would love $15 per hour to take orders at a cashier


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It’s going to happen in nyc come January.


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Originally Posted by ciaban

Fleeing from organized state sponsored violence, and fleeing from poverty and lack of opportunity aren't remotely the same thing.

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If the people around me kept getting killed I would try to leave


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Originally Posted by ciaban

Fleeing from organized state sponsored violence, and fleeing from poverty and lack of opportunity aren't remotely the same thing.

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Those two things are not mutually exclusive. You are aware of that. Right? One can even...checks notes...cause the other... GASP!

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Originally Posted by ciaban

Fleeing from organized state sponsored violence, and fleeing from poverty and lack of opportunity aren't remotely the same thing.

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Fleeing from state sponsored organized violence and fleeing from organized violence are similar. But you believe what you want buddy.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. You are aware of that. Right? One can even...checks notes...cause the other... GASP!

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Since when does poverty and lack of opportunity lead directly to government organized murder of minority groups?
There are lots of poor countries that never experience genocide.

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Originally Posted by flips333

Fleeing from state sponsored organized violence and fleeing from organized violence are similar. But you believe what you want buddy.

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No, they're not. They're only tangentially similar, in the sense that there is violence in both cases.

When a government does it, it's much more effective and much more through than when criminals just engage in violence.
That's why the US government was so successful at wiping out the native Americans, and gangs kill only a few thousand a year.
They're not remotely similar.

Also, the vast majority of these people aren't "fleeing violence" they're economic migrants, it's not remotely the same thing as what Ocasio-Cortez described.

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Originally Posted by ewing

If the people around me kept getting killed I would try to leave


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I have regularly heard Conservatives, when people complain about there being a lack of opportunities where they live, suggest "Why don't you just move." Completely ignoring the poverty of the people.

Now when people are fleeing from violence you have "you're just fleeing poverty."

You know what I say:¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by ciaban

No, they're not. They're only tangentially similar, in the sense that there is violence in both cases.

When a government does it, it's much more effective and much more through than when criminals just engage in violence.
That's why the US government was so successful at wiping out the native Americans, and gangs kill only a few thousand a year.
They're not remotely similar.

Also, the vast majority of these people aren't "fleeing violence" they're economic migrants, it's not remotely the same thing as what Ocasio-Cortez described.

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So it's not the same... except the violence part. Brilliant!

Are you saying that 300,000 bananas is not remotely similar to 300 bananas?

Do you know what tangential means?

Also how can something be tangentially similar and also NOT REMOTELY similar? You should stop hitting yourself.