Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Sounds like you already got, got, got.

And I have no personal problems to foist on anyone.

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Again, with the projection. I got raised to have a good work ethic and to value education. I’ve got fantastic parents that lived paycheck to paycheck most of their lives and didn’t have anything left for hand-outs. No need to push your own failures onto them.

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Originally Posted by benny01

Again, with the projection. I got raised to have a good work ethic and to value education. I’ve got fantastic parents that lived paycheck to paycheck most of their lives and didn’t have anything left for hand-outs. No need to push your own failures onto them.

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Sounds like we are two of a kind.

My background is pretty much the same. I have few failures and whatever ones I do have, rest assured I handle them myself and don't look to others.

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Look…the tick, tick, tick comment implies waiting for me to die. Something like that is totally uncalled for and I don't appreciate that. it has happened several times here.

I'll post and debate with anyone but I don't need crap like that thrown at me. Every time I defend a position, I get called a name. I don't do that. Half the posts directed at me contain profanity almost to the point that some posters seem incapable without out profanity. I don't do that either. A few posters here I will not even respond to.

And I respect other people's opinion. I disagree with most here but all are free to say whatever they please. Try going on a conservative forum (are there any?) and throw out some of the crap I see here. See how you do. I bet I hold my own here better than most here would on such a site.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

#1 What part of the Constitution covered electronic impulses floating around the atmosphere?

#2 The Constitution is constantly stretched to make it say what ever you want it to say…what part of the Constitution mentioned pornography as a freedom of speech? Or flag burning? How is abortion tied into the right of privacy?

#3 Whose life is really affected all that much by the Patriot Act?

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If you don’t understand these basic concepts, then what meaningful discussion can be had?

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

If you don’t understand these basic concepts, then what meaningful discussion can be had?

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If you don't know, just say so.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

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I'll post and debate with anyone but I don't need crap like that thrown at me. Every time I defend a position, I get called a name.

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1, no you wont, you'll read my posts and sometimes post in a roundabout way about it, but no you wont debate with anyone.

2, you just spent the last few pages explaining WHY your experience with minorities acting a certain way is a justifiable reason as to why you seek out places with white majority populations. Yet at the same time you act offended when someone points out the fact that that is racist. Lol, so which is it?

Btw, in case you've convinced yourself that my "profane approach" is why you dont respond to me, I would like to point out that actually it is your inability to ever give any coherent response to my 2nd paragraph that you dont respond. Just a little fyi.

I dont punch below the belt. I simply call a spade a spade, someone from your generation should appreciate that

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

Sounds like we are two of a kind.

My background is pretty much the same. I have few failures and whatever ones I do have, rest assured I handle them myself and don't look to others.

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Look…the tick, tick, tick comment implies waiting for me to die. Something like that is totally uncalled for and I don't appreciate that. it has happened several times here.

I'll post and debate with anyone but I don't need crap like that thrown at me. Every time I defend a position, I get called a name. I don't do that. Half the posts directed at me contain profanity almost to the point that some posters seem incapable without out profanity. I don't do that either. A few posters here I will not even respond to.

And I respect other people's opinion. I disagree with most here but all are free to say whatever they please. Try going on a conservative forum (are there any?) and throw out some of the crap I see here. See how you do. I bet I hold my own here better than most here would on such a site.

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I love how you talk about S N O W F L A K E S and can't handle a joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh0szDJ7CXQ

The Pelosi comment is typical of racially paranoid minorities like Cortez.

This person disagrees with something I said/suggested.
I am Hispanic.
Therefore, the person that disagreed with me is racist against Hispanics -- even if they're a Democrat who wants open borders.

This is the "rising star" that liberals are so proud of. A racially paranoid minority is most likely racist themselves.

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Originally Posted by MidwestJimmy

The Pelosi comment is typical of racially paranoid minorities like Cortez.

This person disagrees with something I said/suggested.
I am Hispanic.
Therefore, the person that disagreed with me is racist against Hispanics -- even if they're a Democrat who wants open borders.

This is the "rising star" that liberals are so proud of. A racially paranoid minority is most likely racist themselves.

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Is Nancy pandering to those communities to get their votes or not? You guys need to get your narratives straight. Does AOC have so much power that she dictates your opinion on the subject? Outside of talking points, do you have any views of your own?

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

If you don't know, just say so.

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Originally Posted by Sluggo1

#1 What part of the Constitution covered electronic impulses floating around the atmosphere?

#2 The Constitution is constantly stretched to make it say what ever you want it to say…what part of the Constitution mentioned pornography as a freedom of speech? Or flag burning? How is abortion tied into the right of privacy?

#3 Whose life is really affected all that much by the Patriot Act?

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#1 the Constitution grants the federal government the ability to regulate interstate trade. Television, cell signal, etc. are all clearly connected to and aspects of interstate trade.

#2 Pornography, like any other video or communication is part of speech. There is both explicit and implicit speech involved. Flag burning is an expression of one's opinion, which is at the heart of free speech protections. The absolute best, somewhat plausible argument with the existing framework against it would be that burning the flag isn't peaceful protest. It would be incredibly weak, but it's better than anything else I've seen. Most arguments fail because they center around the "I'm triggered so it's bad" argument. The right to privacy is a pulled primarily from the 9th and 14th Amendments. The right to privacy and ability to make one's own medical decisions was based on existing case law and the interpretation of the equal protection clause in the 14th Amendment and the 9th Amendment. Conservatives love the 10th Amendment but often forget the 9th: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." It means that they don't have to list your right to order your eggs over medium for it to be protected.

#3 do you communicate with friends and family over any sort of electronic means? Because that communication can be surveilled without a warrant. The Patriot Act (along with many other laws before) spits on the first and fourth amendments and honestly doesn't treat the due process protections of the 5th Amendment either.

Want me to go into more depth?

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Originally Posted by benny01

Outside of talking points, do you have any views of your own?

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What do you think my last post in this thread was? :confused: These posts are all peoples views. It's kind of the whole point of a forum.

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Originally Posted by MidwestJimmy

What do you think my last post in this thread was? :confused: These posts are all peoples views. It's kind of the whole point of a forum.

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For what it's worth, I don't think you're someone who just regurgitates talking points. I disagree with much of what you say but I think you believe what you say. And we all tend to rely on talking points from time to time. The summation of an issue can be quite handy.

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Originally Posted by MidwestJimmy

What do you think my last post in this thread was? :confused: These posts are all peoples views. It's kind of the whole point of a forum.

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So is Nancy the pandering politician that gives no ***** about minorities outside of their votes or does she genuinely care about those people and feel that they should be represented? They are calling her a racist because she wants them to hold up as diverse, she just doesn’t want to hear from them. I’m just trying to square the fake open boarder argument in your post, which would seem to be racist pandering, with the view that she isn’t racist and these people are nuts.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

#1 the Constitution grants the federal government the ability to regulate interstate trade. Television, cell signal, etc. are all clearly connected to and aspects of interstate trade.

#2 Pornography, like any other video or communication is part of speech. There is both explicit and implicit speech involved. Flag burning is an expression of one's opinion, which is at the heart of free speech protections. The absolute best, somewhat plausible argument with the existing framework against it would be that burning the flag isn't peaceful protest. It would be incredibly weak, but it's better than anything else I've seen. Most arguments fail because they center around the "I'm triggered so it's bad" argument. The right to privacy is a pulled primarily from the 9th and 14th Amendments. The right to privacy and ability to make one's own medical decisions was based on existing case law and the interpretation of the equal protection clause in the 14th Amendment and the 9th Amendment. Conservatives love the 10th Amendment but often forget the 9th: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." It means that they don't have to list your right to order your eggs over medium for it to be protected.

#3 do you communicate with friends and family over any sort of electronic means? Because that communication can be surveilled without a warrant. The Patriot Act (along with many other laws before) spits on the first and fourth amendments and honestly doesn't treat the due process protections of the 5th Amendment either.

Want me to go into more depth?

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All of what you are saying (especially #2) is an interpretation of what the Constitution says. None of it is clearly defined in the Constitution. Pornography, abortion…not even close. It is interpretations and not clearly defined law.

You want to surveil my communications…feel free.

And again, why is it so cool when some of these geeks come up with info people want to see/read. It's Ok top hack into a government website and embarrass someone you dislike. But your secret email to Lefty227 is sacred.

Right.

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Originally Posted by benny01

So is Nancy the pandering politician that gives no ***** about minorities outside of their votes or does she genuinely care about those people and feel that they should be represented? They are calling her a racist because she wants them to hold up as diverse, she just doesn’t want to hear from them. I’m just trying to square the fake open boarder argument in your post, which would seem to be racist pandering, with the view that she isn’t racist and these people are nuts.

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Pandering to minorities doesn't make Pelosi racist -- it just makes her a hypocrite who's fishing for votes, which most politicians do. Politicians do the same with non-racial groups such as union members. The word "racist" gets thrown around way too much. Real racism is hatred toward the entire membership of a particular race.

Homan just made her look even more dumb.

She is so far in over her head it's not even remotely funny how poor of a choice she was to have elected.