Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

the larger crew wasn't specifically looking to harm her, but if some were doing what you said in your example, no. not if I have police to protect me like the Capitol officer there to protect AOC, that she went on to think was also a threat to her. it's bad enough what she said about the person there to help her.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

**** me I never said she shouldn't have been scared.

I said she was never in any real danger. I said she lied about Ted Cruz. nobody has provided anything to contradict these things, yet want to argue in circles about whether it was okay AOC was scared.

that is how she felt, that can't be taken away. but whether or not she was in any real danger can be supported by evidence, that nobody even wants to do. I provided where her office is (Cannon) so someone can go ahead and show where that building had even 1 person rioting.

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No, saying that indicates that there was no way the rioters could have harmed her. That would simply be grossly incorrect any way you look at that statement. No harm came to her because no one decided to breach her building, not that rioters couldnt do so at any given opportunity. That is not remotely the same as, never being in any real danger. This was not a secure location. Imagine there's massive looting and rioting in your neighborhood, and the house next to yours was broken down and ransacked with the owners still inside, and assaulted them, but for whatever reason they left your house alone. Were you never in any danger? HELL NO! If even one person knew she was in that building, do you think the mob wouldn't have been alerted to this fact and turned that building upside down looking for her?

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

there were far more people at the Capitol that wanted to protest, even if not justified.

Trump should not have been relentless with what he said, but it's debatable what impact that had and how his words inspired or incited people to be violent, for those that could easily be manipulated.

if Trump is to be held accountable for them being gullible, then the standard should be the same for the other side that had much worse words. Hillary Clinton literally said you can't be civil with Republicans. if Trump (or Cruz) is what inspired/incited rioting, then why not question if Hillary's words inspired/incited Republican baseball field to be shot up where Steve Scalise was shot, or when Rand Paul was attacked by his neighbor. what is the standard. maybe those idiots were also easily manipulated.

we can't have an honest conversation around here because Trump is orange man bad responsible for everything, while these Democrats are responsible for nothing.

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If someone in a crowded theater yells fire, is he responsible for the ppl who trample each other to get out? After all, he didn't tell them to run over each. What do you think the law says about this?

Trump has been egging his followers on and claiming fraud before the election even took place and ramped it up after it was over with false claims based on his own fairytales. It's been a constant barrage of propaganda and lies. Then he holds a rally in DC and tells his followers and gives the following speech below. What do you think a group of white supremacists, neo nazis, and crazed conspiracy theorists and mentally unstable ppl are going to do with this? What happened was no surprise, the least of all, to someone like Trump, who knows his base.

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“We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore, and that is what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal. …

“You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen. These are the facts that you won’t hear from the fake news media. It’s all part of the suppression effort. They don’t want to talk about it. They don’t want to talk about it. …

“We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” - TRUMP

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

and in those two lines you contradict yourself
You just said of course the fact the police felt she needed to hide meant she was in danger
Then followed that with saying taking the precaution of hiding is NOT her being in danger
The threat was there, the end result meant the threat didn't materialize, but the threat was still real and therefore the danger was real.

If you jumped off a building, you were in danger of serious injury.
If you somehow were NOT seriously injured doesn't change the fact you were in danger of serious injury. You simply escaped that danger.

yet you're accusing others of a circle jerk? smdh

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potential danger. that was what the evacuation was for, precaution.

had those rioting gotten close to her, she would have been in danger. that didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Exactly. And to add to this, Congresswoman Nancy Mace, who tweet “I was two doors down and no insurrectionists stormed our hallway” tweeted “just evacuated my office in Cannon due to a nearby threat” on January 6th.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...080659315.html

So on the 6th she admitted there was a nearby threat that required evacuation.

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nearby, not where either of them were. key difference.

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

No, saying that indicates that there was no way the rioters could have harmed her. That would simply be grossly incorrect any way you look at that statement. No harm came to her because no one decided to breach her building, not that rioters couldnt do so at any given opportunity. That is not remotely the same as, never being in any real danger. This was not a secure location. Imagine there's massive looting and rioting in your neighborhood, and the house next to yours was broken down and ransacked with the owners still inside, and assaulted them, but for whatever reason they left your house alone. Were you never in any danger? HELL NO! If even one person knew she was in that building, do you think the mob wouldn't have been alerted to this fact and turned that building upside down looking for her?

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AOC wasn't in the "house next door", she was down the block.

more evidence that those rioting were idiots, her location is listed online where anyone could know where she was. I've provided that easily myself, Cannon building.

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

If someone in a crowded theater yells fire, is he responsible for the ppl who trample each other to get out? After all, he didn't tell them to run over each. What do you think the law says about this?

Trump has been egging his followers on and claiming fraud before the election even took place and ramped it up after it was over with false claims based on his own fairytales. It's been a constant barrage of propaganda and lies. Then he holds a rally in DC and tells his followers and gives the following speech below. What do you think a group of white supremacists, neo nazis, and crazed conspiracy theorists and mentally unstable ppl are going to do with this? What happened was no surprise, the least of all, to someone like Trump, who knows his base.

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nothing Trump said was equivalent to fire in a theater.

if Trump is supposed to be held accountable for the actions of morons who interpreted something wrong then were is the standard for the other side and things they have said that have been actually worse. where are the charges for the likes of Maxine Waters and Hillary Clinton?

nobody has been able to provide that AOC was actually in danger. her building/office was never stormed, had no rioting, or people would be able to show that.

AOC has never apologized for wrongly vilifying Capitol police.

nobody has anything about how Ted Cruz did anything to specifically impact AOC.

AOC cult will believe any narrative that protects her, while allowing her to exaggerate anything to make sure she is always the victim.

when confronted about Ted Cruz, she deflects to again be the victim by bringing up that she is a sexual assault survivor.

when confronted on where she was, she deflects to again be the victim by attacking a rape victim.

the power that she has to make all of this happen is remarkable, and nobody can admit that she was wrong about anything, exaggerated/lied.

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

nobody has been able to provide that AOC was actually in danger. her building/office was never stormed, had no rioting, or people would be able to show that.

AOC has never apologized for wrongly vilifying Capitol police.

nobody has anything about how Ted Cruz did anything to specifically impact AOC.

AOC cult will believe any narrative that protects her, while allowing her to exaggerate anything to make sure she is always the victim.

when confronted about Ted Cruz, she deflects to again be the victim by bringing up that she is a sexual assault survivor.

when confronted on where she was, she deflects to again be the victim by attacking a rape victim.

the power that she has to make all of this happen is remarkable, and nobody can admit that she was wrong about anything, exaggerated/lied.

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The thing is, I dont much care where she was because I believe she believed her life was in danger. I also believe that Ted Cruz, in perpetuating the lie that the election was stolen, contributed to what became violence in the 6th. I dont think that any amount of"evidence" put forth will change how either of us feel about the situation, so what is the point of engaging on the subject. We clearly see things differently.

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Originally Posted by benny01

The thing is, I dont much care where she was because I believe she believed her life was in danger. I also believe that Ted Cruz, in perpetuating the lie that the election was stolen, contributed to what became violence in the 6th. I dont think that any amount of"evidence" put forth will change how either of us feel about the situation, so what is the point of engaging on the subject. We clearly see things differently.

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honesty. lets have some honesty and people being bipartisan. drop the political ******** that some think means they have to stick to their side and lets criticize people where it's due.

AOC to Ted Cruz, "you almost had me murdered". that is not true. that is at least misleading/exaggerating, which has been established with Trump is the same as lying. she deceived people and people here don't care. why should anyone expect honest conversation when something simple like this can't be agreed on.

Imagine that: Special pretending like he has some life lessons about honesty and bipartisanship to teach everyone (as he's knee deep in a week long argument about how AOC wasn't in "real danger" and therefore shouldn't have "really been scared" and therefore is a "liar"). :laugh2:

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

honesty. lets have some honesty and people being bipartisan. drop the political ******** that some think means they have to stick to their side and lets criticize people where it's due.

AOC to Ted Cruz, "you almost had me murdered". that is not true. that is at least misleading/exaggerating, which has been established with Trump is the same as lying. she deceived people and people here don't care. why should anyone expect honest conversation when something simple like this can't be agreed on.

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You want honesty? Here's some honesty- your take on this is horribly short sighted and heavily biased.
I'm not even an AOC fan and the most I can see from her end is being a bit mellodramatic- i.e. Cruz didn't almost have her murdered, but his actions still helped put things in motion that could have resulted in exactly that. Legally an accessory? Probably not. A factor, most definitely.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1358113234885234689

Whether people agree or disagree with the statements AOC has made, this is utterly classless. Using this as a position to publicly fundraise is disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez

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^^^^

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Originally Posted by SiteWolf

You want honesty? Here's some honesty- your take on this is horribly short sighted and heavily biased.
I'm not even an AOC fan and the most I can see from her end is being a bit mellodramatic- i.e. Cruz didn't almost have her murdered, but his actions still helped put things in motion that could have resulted in exactly that. Legally an accessory? Probably not. A factor, most definitely.

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bold, that's it. period. nothing Ted Cruz said or did had AOC almost murdered.

people should be able to agree on the bold, and instead double down with AOC.

has anyone else Republican or Democrat accused Ted Cruz of almost having them murdered, especially those actually that were in the Capitol building where the rioters were? the only one exaggerating this claim that I have seen is AOC.

there are many different things that could happen, that could be used to make outlandish claims, but they didn't and those claims would be meaningless. there have been death threats and assassination remarks for Trump over the last 4 years, that could have been put in motion by many things said by Democrats or media. does anyone want to hold them accountable, Trump could have been murdered. except, it didn't almost happen.

what about the shooting of the Republican baseball field, who put something in motion to cause that to happen?

AOC deserves to be criticized for the words that she used.