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03-10-2019, 03:41 AM
mngopher35

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

How do you guarantee a living wage? How do you guarantee "affordable" housing? You **** with the market via government. And I'm being nice. She also just flat out guaranteed that stuff (handouts welfare state).

Yes there would be a much larger security net for sure but I am not sure that necessarily means socialism and not just left. Government would be much bigger but I think there would still be tons of private too correct or did I miss something?
03-10-2019, 03:45 AM
fingerbang

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

Yes there would be a much larger security net for sure but I am not sure that necessarily means socialism and not just left. Government would be much bigger but I think there would still be tons of private too correct or did I miss something?

How moderate of her.
03-10-2019, 03:50 AM
mngopher35

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

How moderate of her.

I definitely think she is further left than Bernie etc. and has even pushed him further since I think he signed on. The article I sent and map I talked about were based on where they were at election time/based on certain policies not this. Bernie was more center than Hillary. Some policies AOC is for are what most people wan't and not really that extreme to many (like healthcare). That's what was pointed out about the more moderate thing that never really was responded to but this is obviously more left as we have discussed. Just not raging socialism
03-10-2019, 10:29 AM
SpecialFNK

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Originally Posted by ManRam

I think it's more that we don't like that people like you, who also happen to worship President Trump, are commenting on how you think other people are stupid. You and he literally have brain worms. :laugh2:

I suggest you pay more attention. seriously. how is it possible that anyone can say I worship Trump when there have been many times that I have criticized things he has said. Trump has said many stupid things and I comment about it. why can't the other side here drop the partisan and comment on AOC saying stupid things.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

She’s made plenty of gaffs...big deal.

then it should be really simply for people to reply, yes that was stupid, or something similar.

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

I mean you are just kinda pointing to the political game around the ideas...

Here is an article that covers the actual popularity behind the movement/individual ideas within. Not everything in the plan is perfect or even necessarily good/feasible but it is a pretty huge overall plan to address a serious problem our government has largely been ignoring.

https://www.businessinsider.com/alex...ns-poll-2019-2

87.6% of respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the federal government invest in infrastructure designed to build resilience against climate-change-related disasters.

87.2% of poll respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the US meet 100% of its power demands through renewable or zero-emission energy sources; 12.7% said this goal was either not so important or not at all important.

86% of those polled said it was important that the federal government enact policies aimed at achieving net-zero greenhouse-gas emissions (which would mean no added carbon dioxide in the atmosphere).

Support for improving the energy efficiency of new and existing buildings was particularly high at 89%.
And 87.5% of respondents said it's important that both manufacturing and agricultural businesses and industries be required to be as emission-free as technologically feasible.

The resolution's call for major investment in energy-efficient transportation was also popular, with 87.6% of those polled saying it's important that the government invest directly in a high-speed rail system, zero-emission vehicle infrastructure, and clean public transit.

Again in a general sense this has a lot of things the general public is mostly behind it is just that as an overally plan it reaches to far in areas/doesn't have a reasonable plan forward to obtain some of the goals but that doesn't mean it isn't largely supported by most that the government at least TRY and cover some of these issues which it tries to do. Being in opposition to policy is quite easy by poking a hole here or there but coming up with something that everyone wants is difficult which is why Republicans did a decent job opposing Obama and now look pretty insane next to Trump even when in full control (until recently). An attempt at good policy that people want but might not be perfect is better than playing insane games to avoid even touching policy that most people want

polling people who believe/support AOC isn't really something positive. if people are stupid just like she is then that's not a good thing.

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Originally Posted by kevin13697

SpecialFNK
How would you rate AOC on looks on a scale from 1-10?

for looks I think she is pretty hot. maybe a 7.
I like her hair and her face. but I've also seen too much of her bugged out eyes and horse teeth.
haven't really seen her body, but I think she looked good in the one dancing video.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8LL9026dDe4/hqdefault.jpg

political connection doesn't separate who I think is hot/sexy/ect.
03-10-2019, 11:38 AM
mngopher35

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

polling people who believe/support AOC isn't really something positive. if people are stupid just like she is then that's not a good thing.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

Your post post was about how much support the green new deal really has. So I replied with a post about how the dems don't even really want a vote on it. :laugh: Sounds really popular.

lol it's almost like this all started because Fingerbang was ignoring what Crovash said and I responded with data backing it up that much of it is popular/as a whole has mixed support. This is like the 3rd or 4th time now between you fingerband and dbroncs that it has been pointed out this is not the way to go etc. when the reality/context is that it was in response to what HE was saying. It's like you all are playing the same game of ignoring all context/what is being said in order to push the same old narrative
03-10-2019, 01:21 PM
Crovash

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Originally Posted by mngopher35

lol it's almost like this all started because Fingerbang was ignoring what Crovash said and I responded with data backing it up that much of it is popular/as a whole has mixed support. This is like the 3rd or 4th time now between you fingerband and dbroncs that it has been pointed out this is not the way to go etc. when the reality/context is that it was in response to what HE was saying. It's like you all are playing the same game of ignoring all context/what is being said in order to push the same old narrative

It’s funny you should note this because I was going to respond a long time back with exactly the same observation, and then I said, what’s the point?

But now I think I will, just as an illustration.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

The best part of all this whining is that there are many other supporters of the Green New Deal (as were there many other people of influence who questioned, even opposed Amazon’s NY gambit) and yet you’d think that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is the entire thng.

Ever heard of Ed Markey?

Check out the list of proponents at the bottom of this article

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

You can live in a fantasy land but in reality the party that actually wants to vote on the dem proposal are republicans, lol.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Thank you once again for not responding to anything whatsoever in my post, though you felt the need for some reason to quote it.

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Originally Posted by fingerbang

Your post post was about how much support the green new deal really has. So I replied with a post about how the dems don't even really want a vote on it. :laugh: Sounds really popular.

No, my post had nothing to do with how popular it is or whether it will pass (or even whether I support it).
03-10-2019, 02:09 PM
mngopher35

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Originally Posted by Crovash

It’s funny you should note this because I was going to respond a long time back with exactly the same observation, and then I said, what’s the point?

But now I think I will, just as an illustration.

No, my post had nothing to do with how popular it is or whether it will pass (or even whether I support it).

Yup I was just responding to him laughing at the idea it has support and then gave data.

You: This has more support than AOC
Him: LOL dems don't want to vote on it, it can't pass there isn't support
Me: actually there is a lot of support for specific policy and overall support from people is a bit mixed, heres the data. Winning/losing is the team game aspect
response from all 3 after data given but not actually responded to in meaningful way: OMG support doesn't even matter (insert something about her or me being dumb/angry for responding to what was said)

It's like wtf then whey were you starting the conversation like that, it's obviously what is being responded to. Believe it or not when posters say something others MIGHT actually read it, comprehend it, and respond and not just go back and forth with the dumb games taking over politics.

The point was obviously to just go on his socialist takeover/raging socialist/far left bad type rant while ignoring everything said as shown though. I, like you, never got into whether I would support the plan in full (actually said I agree there are issues) because it was never an actual discussion he wanted to have and when asked to share what I like (after already sharing popular parts related to environment I said I like) it was ignored anyways despite multiple people asking for it as if that would change things. It was always about trying to go to the extreme rhetoric to bash instead of having any sort of real discussion
03-10-2019, 06:55 PM
fingerbang

Crovash boasted that Ed Markey (politician) was on board so I pointed out that hit had **** support from fellow democrats.

That's not moving the goalposts. Showing polls regarding aspects of the deal, not the actual deal itself is...
03-10-2019, 07:28 PM
Brewersfan255

The thoughts of Cotrez...

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/sta...374901249?s=21

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03-10-2019, 08:00 PM
ewing

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

The thoughts of Cotrez...

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/sta...374901249?s=21

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I’ve heard dumber

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03-10-2019, 08:18 PM
kevin13697

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

for looks I think she is pretty hot. maybe a 7.
I like her hair and her face. but I've also seen too much of her bugged out eyes and horse teeth.
haven't really seen her body, but I think she looked good in the one dancing video.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8LL9026dDe4/hqdefault.jpg

political connection doesn't separate who I think is hot/sexy/ect.

Some of this was savage but I'll blame myself since I asked. I'm glad you can acknowledge that she's pretty. I'm assuming you don't have a problem with inter racial couples.

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.c...-the-blaze.jpg

Tomi is hot too.
03-10-2019, 09:15 PM
Brewersfan255

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Originally Posted by ewing

I’ve heard dumber

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What about this?

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status...362017792?s=21

She’s so dumb

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03-10-2019, 09:19 PM
Walter_White

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

What about this?

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status...362017792?s=21

She’s so dumb

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Are you being facetious? Because I know you don't expect folks on here to think that's dumb. You're just setting yourself up for more abuse.
03-10-2019, 09:39 PM
Brewersfan255

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Originally Posted by Walter_White

Are you being facetious? Because I know you don't expect folks on here to think that's dumb. You're just setting yourself up for more abuse.

I think most would find that statement dumb

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03-10-2019, 09:47 PM
Walter_White

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Originally Posted by Brewersfan255

I think most would find that statement dumb

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